So they knew about Jesus dying in the old testament?
So much regarding Jesus and the crucifixion strike me as a gigantic, un-fun game of “It is my ball and I make the rules.”
I’ll bet that’s why they called them prophets. Because they could, like, prophecy an’ stuff.
Funny thing is, when unbelievers like me bring up the inaccuracy of prophecy, we get told that “Oh, they weren’t really called prophets for telling prophecies.”
Prophets work in mysterious ways.
The best ones are in Step 3.
Like Jesus? And his “prophecy” (I’ll leave the discussion about the use of the term in the bible for another thread) about coming back in the lifetime of some of those around him assembled that day? If that’s the case, then the rapture has already happened and the rest of you Christians are just screwed.
Of course, my favorite parts of the bible are when it talks about unicorns and giants. I want a pet giant and unicorn. 
Why can’t I have one?
A prophet was defined as one who was a sort of “channeler” for God – someone who who could supposedly divine God’s will and communicate it, not necessarily as someone who could predict the future (although they sometimes tried). There are no examples of authentically fulfilled predictive prophecy in the OT. The passage from Isaiah (which is mistranslated, incidentally) was not only not about Jesus, but was not a messianic prophecy at all. In fact, it wasn’t even supposed to be a prediction. It was a poetic rumination about Israel’s past. The “he” is a personification of Israel.
Friar Ted was right that the hymn in question was quoting (a Christian translation of) Isaiah, though.
The giants ate the unicorns, and then died from the horns piercing their stomach.
Well, they weren’t exactly, but that’s still doesn’t explain away why they always failed when they tried.
If they were universally recognized as true sons of Allah by practitioners of that faith, no, IMO, they wouldn’t be. In the real world though, I say they are blind fanatics who derive their “bravery” from their god delusions. Goes without saying they were/are terrorist mother-fuckers no matter what the case.
Damn you! Now my life will remain unfulfilled. RIP Unicorn pet.
I think if Jesus death on the cross had meaning it’s that he lived the principles he taught even when his life was on the line. I think he was smart enough to see that what he was doing was life threatening and decided it still needed doing.
Jesus didn’t “live his life”. He is, according to mainstream Chrisitian belief, God. Which means Jesus created the universe, expelled Adam and Eve from Eden, spoke to Moses and Abraham, was crucified, and is still around now (influencing the outcome of sporting events). Jesus/God is eternal and has always been here.
Did I say I was talking about mainstream Christian belief? Did you have a point?
I reject most of mainstream Christian belief as myth.
The usual way, by assertion. “The ninth god of Sandwich is not omniscient”. Disprove that, if you can, or accept the truth of all you read here!
Slightly more seriously, your tone suggests that you believe that all the gods and goddesses have to be omniscient. Why is that? There are plenty of examples (I’m thinking Norse mythology) which prove that some gods are not omniscient (or at least, not all the time). That’s mighty hard evidence!
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Certainly the assumption of Christianity as a whole is that God is omniscient. Very few denominations depart from this belief.
Personally I’ve no investment in believing in any sort of omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being. Limited higher-order beings seem much more likely, in a theoretical sense. Not that I’ve seen any evidence of their existence either.
Powers greater than myself? Sure, lots of them exist.
If you’re going to depart from mainstream Christian belief in a discussion on Jesus, then you should at least mention that you’re doing so. It would be even better if you’d explain how your beliefs differ from the mainstream so people know what you’re discussing. As for a point, this is a thread on beliefs about Jesus so I think it was on-topic.
OK, if physical death is all that is required to pay the price for sin, then at the end of my life, when I die, I will have paid the price for my own sin, and can enter heaven knowing that I paid the price myself.
Right?
I’m suggesting it is not as big a deal to do something life threatening when you know you are immortal and eternal (as mainstream Christian belief has him).
I didn’t say that. Jesus didn’t just suffer physical death. I said that He paid the price by the time He died physically. He also experienced the real agony of Hell when He cried “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” The ‘three days in Hades’ were distinct from His actually experiencing Hell.
And even if physical death cancelled out your sin, all that means is that you would die & not experience any further punishment. That does not mean you would be guaranteed an Afterlife or Immortality or Resurrection. Immortality & Resurrection are in Jesus Christ alone and one must be among His people in order to be guaranteed them. Now, I believe that there will be an Afterlife for all in which all will be graciously offered that opportunity of joining Him, provided they have not knowingly and definitively rejected that offer in this life. I have no way of knowing who is or isn’t in such a condition. All I can advise is not to risk it.