Mitt Romney would absolutely get away with the assassination of Al-Awlaki. There’d be some small grumbling about it, but partisan politics mean the president can’t take a shit without someone’s disapproval. Do you really think otherwise?
Is this the same Obama who has abolished DADT, passed Obamacare, passed 700 billion dollars in Stimulus funding, passed Dodd-Frank, and appointed Kagan and Sotomayar to the Supreme Court? What has Obama done that is Reaganish other than something any sane President would do (like say kill our enemies)? And in many ways Republicans are Democrat-lite too, both parties accept the Progressive-New Deal-Great Society consensus-who in the GOP (except perhaps Mr. Paul) advocates a true laissez-faire economy? And Wall Street if it owns anyone it owns the Establishment-the Tea Party opposed the bank bailouts which would have been disastrous for Wall Street.
Don’t forget that he ended the Iraq War too.
But this is Evil Captor’s standard complaint against Obama and it shows up in multiple Elections threads. I honestly don’t know why he believes what he does when you look at Obama’s resume (which you’ve helpfully posted). Would McCain have done any of those things? I think not.
And what “failures,” other than legislation that he was unable to get through Congress due to the unreasonable intransigence of the GOP congressmen, or the job market which he has little to no control over, would you cite as having caused said stir in the demographic?
You should go on some of the more right-wing boards. All you read is how the GOP is now Democrats Lite. There Are No True Conservatives In The Republican Party. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. :dubious:
You tell me. No proof of any wrongdoing has been brought forth by the Obama administration.
How could he be engaged in acts of war? The only “war” we are fighting is in Afganistan against the Taliban. Was he responsible for 9/11 or other terrorist acts? Who knows? No proof has been offered.
OWS was against the bailouts, which he didn’t start but followed up on. They are against the war in Afganistan, which he insists on fighting. He extended the Bush tax cuts, which is an issue with OWS. He shit he bed on the Patriot act and Guantanamo. He signed the NDAA. Institutionalized assassination of American citizens without due process. Ignored the Senate to pass ACTA…
When you take up arms against the federal government and attack US soldiers, they will fire back and you might die. Funny that.
He didn’t start the bank bailouts. The bailouts to the auto industry may have saved millions of jobs.
That’s already drawing to a close, and Iraq is done.
He has to work with a Congress that wanted them. Hardly his fault.
He can’t repeal the Patriot Act by himself. As for Gitmo, the GOP undercut funding that would have placed the detainees elsewhere. Again, beyond his control.
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…a national-security act which contains one provision that various legal scholars disagree as to how much power it gives to arrest and detain American citizens. Rivkin and Casey’s position invokes certain Supreme Court precedents. You may argue the morality of the position, but that’s another topic.
The dude forfeited any constitutional protection when he declared himself an enemy of America. You pays yo’ money, you takes yo’ chances.
I’m not terribly happy about that, but these guys are trying to hold back the ocean with a pitchfork. I have bigger fish to fry.
Again, the extension of the tax cuts, the Patriot Act and Gitmo were due to circumstances beyond his control, which anyone with a civics education over the sixth grade level could comprehend. :smack:
I don’t think Anwar al-Awlaki was doing either of those things when he was killed.
The question was which of Obama’s failed policies has caused a problem with young people. I said he continued the bailouts. Is this wrong? I could add that he has done nothing to hold the banks accountable. Or is that also Bush’s fault?
“Already” isn’t the term I would use for a war that has been going on for over 10 years. As I said, this is a Obama policy that is unpopular among the youth.
Where was his populist rhetoric back then? I guess he hadn’t read up on TR yet. He’s still fighting the same battle. I consider that a failure. Anyway, the youth of OWS finds that he sides with monied interests more often than not.
Ok. A failure of his party, which he leads.
Imagine that. The Supreme Court fails to limit the authority of a government which it is a part of.
I’m not necessarily unhappy that he is dead. But it is now precedent. The president can have an American citizen targeted for assassination without offering any proof of wrongdoing.
Do you? Thats an incredible attitude to take in my opinion.
I believe Obama is a Reagan Republican because he governs like one.
Obamacare, for example, is largely based on Mitt Romney’s Republican public health care plan that he instituted in Massachusetts. The single most progressive item in Obama’s health care plan … the public option … was jettisoned early on, and without much effort from the right to get it removed. The health care plan also does virtually nothing to address the rising cost of health care. Obama sold out out to the health insurance companies, just like the Republicans would have.
Frank-Dodd was passed by Congress, it wasn’t really Obama’s baby, but it also did not address the ability of banks to gamble with depositor’s money, which means we could have another such crisis tomorrow. It hardly gives Obama any progressive cred to have signed it. And it doesn’t help that his chief financial advisor is Tim Geithner, who would have been a top candidate for any Republican president as well.
Obama pulled out of Iraq … on George W. Bush’s timetable. And he wanted to stay longer, he was kinda kicked out by the Iraqi government.
Obama’s Justice Department has been able to find no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the 2008 collapse despite widespread allegations of massive fraud. How very Republican of him.
Obama did not allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset. Granted, the Republicans fought for them like their very lives depended on them, but letting the tax cuts sunset would have been the very jewel in the crown of the Obama Administration’s fiscal policy. Well, if he wasn’t a Reagan Republican.
Obama has approved the killing of American citizens without due process. And him a Constitutional scholar! It was more of a studied political move, but if you can kill us without due process on foreign soil, why not on American soil? Is it the process or the location that matters? Once again, he acts in a very Republican manner.
Signing the NDAA was a very Republican thing to do.
Face it … the man is a Republican … a Reagan Republican, but still …
I said that particular instance was a failure of the SC to restrain power. I didn’t say it never restrained power.
So wait. The health care plan, which was passed by Congress, is Obama’s because of the failed provision, but the Frank-Dodd bill, which also was passed by Congress, isn’t Obama’s because it runs contrary to your objections to him? Ummm, I don’t think you know how passing bills work.
The timetable was already there in Iraq and he followed it, nothing wrong with that. And he’s established a new on in Afghanistan, so there you have proof that Obama’s winding down the wars.
Did you know that there were other things at stake too? I ask because I genuinely cannot tell if you know that or not. The GOP held hostage tax benefits for millions of middle class families and the debt limit. Obama didn’t just cave to the GOP, he weighed the benefits of extending the Bush tax cuts vs. the economy and felt he couldn’t let one die with the other
Obama has approved the killing of American citizens without due process. And him a Constitutional scholar! It was more of a studied political move, but if you can kill us without due process on foreign soil, why not on American soil? Is it the process or the location that matters? Once again, he acts in a very Republican manner.
No less an authority on GOP politics than Grover Norquist agrees with you:
You presented it as though the failure of the Supreme Court to restrain power once means the system is irretrievably broken or something.