Boy, Beagle, is there a Noble Prize for “full of shit”? What a simply stunning display of weasel-think. Did you imagine no one would check up on you, you could toss a shovel full of pure horseshit into this conversation and get away with it? Let’s start with your cite: Insight.com, which, until now, I had not had the opportunity to laugh at. The one with the flashing message “Beat Barney Frank. Stop Gay Marriage!”. That offers the strictly non-partisan observer the opportunity to read more Anne (Anne of Green Goebbels) Coulter’s brilliant insights into American politics, as well as the wholly fair and balanced analyses of such as Sean Hannity, and the ineffable Laura Ingrown.
And you are far too stingy with the quotes! There are some beautys in that article, truly bodacious examples of the kind of clear thinking you so richly embody!
Such as:
“…He spoke as a member of an antiwar group called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), some of whom felt kinship with Communist China’s Chairman Mao…”
“…he personally never saw, and which it developed had been spun out of the mouths of young Maoists…”
And so on. Note as well my use of the “three dots”. This is called an “ellipsis”, let that be your vocabulary word for the day. It is used to alert the reader that the entire quote has been truncated and edited. It is considered a standard practice to ensure that the reader is aware that editing has taken place. Your own editing, of course, is mendacious and prurient. Even the article itself didn’t try to pass off Kerry’s quote as implying that the personally committed these atrocities. But that didn’t slow you down any, did it, Crapmeister? You slip those quote marks right in there, just so it appears that Kerry himself is making such an admission.
I’m ashamed to be on the same page as a slimebucket like you. Slither away, pusbag, the grownups are talking.
Well sheeeit. It only took you a few years to figure that out. I may argue hard for what I believe, but I’ve never been dishonest. Snide, yes, but I never lied, and especially not under oath. :eek:
Well, Hampsters ate my post, but I want to add that Bagle and Weird Dave, you two are blind, stupid, or just plain fooling yourselves.
Kerry was wounded and honored for his wounds. Should he have not accepted them or not admitted publicly during an election campaign to receiving them? And Bagle, if voicing his opinion on the war and seeking to change things for the better is “turning his back” on his comrades, then what was this country made of? Where speaking out against the government and the military is protected…
Honestly, it seems as though John Kerry was doing the “right thing”, and trying to change something he saw as wrong.
Just have to correct you slightly there GaWd. Beagle didn’t say that Kerry had turned his back on his comrades, he actually said:
This is, of course, even more bullshit that what you took it to be. Beagle’s trying to claim, with his choice of words, that protesting a war continued by a corrupt government (that Kerry had already fought in and was decorated for, including saving the life of at least one of his allies) is the equivalent of, say, turning his M-16 on his allies and defecting.
It’s people like this that give reason to the second half of the Straight Dope motto.
Beagle, before I dismiss you as the blinkered idiot that you come across as in this thread, you want to try expanding and explaining this stupid remark and those that theR has already called for you to clarify?
Looking through all of the posts in this thread, I am still confused as to why people have a problems with:
Calling Kerry a “war hero”
Calling Kerry a “decorated” veteran.
and
Kerry’s protesting the Vietnam War after participating in it.
I agree with the other posters who have mentioned that “war hero” certainly applies to Kerry for (at least) his actions involving “pulling a green beret back into the boat” while under enemy fire.
As for the decorated vet part-- what’s the problem? I just don’t understand some posters’ views on why his Purple Hearts “don’t mean as much as some might think.”
Finally, I have a big problem with how people are trying to smear Kerry, with all this talk of his protesting the war. If anything, the fact that he did this leads me to have even more respect for the man. I think that it is very admirable that he did his duty, and served the country in the military, even though he thought the war was wrong. I have just as much respect for all of the soldiers who have participated in this war with Iraq, but don’t agree with it. And you can be damn sure that I would back them up, if they want to protest this war when they come back home.
Sorry Grace/Lego. I’d already written the post once and lost it in a board crash, so I was extremely lazy the second time around and didn’t do my legwork.
My point was as you mentioned, that Bagle’s contention runs counter to the principles of the US-to have the right of free speech with regards to our government. It didn’t make him a commie or some such nonsense. He was a vet and decided that the war he just got done fighting was not honorable and he spoke out about it. That’s not turning his back on anyone.
That’s morals. That’s balls. That’s principles. That’s someone I want for president. And it’s a whole helluva lot more than I can say about our president.
You know, I’m not so sure about this. I can virtually guarantee you I will vote for Kerry over Bush, but I don’t know that serving in a war you are against is admirable.
Surely killing people who think you shouldn’t be killing isn’t a good thing? Or perhaps he was only against it after he served.
The problem with being a soldier, or a sailor or an airman or a Marine, is that once you have taken the government’s shilling, whether voluntarily or because selected by your friends and neighbors through lawful process, you have few options. If invited to participate in a dance you think unwise, immoral or unsafe you can either dessert, go and do a half-ass job with a view toward preserving your life and limb to the possible risk to comrades, or you can go an do the best job you can. I will leave it to the reader to figure out which is the more honorable / admirable course.
Well, I would agree with your assesment that someone here is a stupid fuck, but it ain’t me. Your comment, just to remind you in case you had forgotten that what you say here stays around for all to see and dosen’t just vanish the milisecond after you typed it when your attention turns to that bright reflection on the wall, was:
Now, coupling that with this post, we see that what you were talking about on the page you linked to was the chronology. Fair enough ( although clarification about what exactly you are trying to say when providing a link is helpful. Despite what hours of devoted viewing of Crossing Over might lead you to believe, most of us don’t have the ability or the 0.3 seconds needed to read your mind ), now please show me where I denied anything in that chronology ( my “bullshit statements”, remember? ). As a point of fact, your link did actually reveal one inaccuracy in the statements that I had previously posted, and I corrected that with my very next post. Given that, I am trying very hard to see where, other than the top of your head, your point here is. Do you actually have one or are you just drooling online for all to see?
I could see living on the run or even going to jail before taking the lives of people who I felt were not my enemy or the enemy of my country. I cannot say for sure I’d have the courage to make that choice, I must admit.
What the fuck else on that page did you think he was linking to, you idiot? The only thing on it is his service record. And your bullshit statements, as quoted in the same post where Chefguy provided the link to Kerry’s website, would be:
Which is a pretty clear implication that you think Kerry is, if not lying, at the very least exagerating his war record. So, yeah, seems to me that linking to Kerry’s own website where he gives exact dates of when he was in country and how he won each of his medals is a pretty solid rebuttal of that argument.
Of course, there’s also your general disingenousness of ignoring three of Kerry’s medals to harp incessently about how two (out of three) Purple Hearts he won weren’t for “real” wounds. Which is generally, you know, disgusting and all, but you seem to have gotten a free pass on that in this thread. Wonder how long a democrat posting crap like that about a republican candidate would last before someone showed up to question his patriotism.
Slate linked to an old Harvard Crimson article (http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185) that indicates that he was pushing for America to withdraw from Vietnam back in 1966, before he entered the Navy.
