Watchmen: The Movie (reviews and spoilers)

Ok, I saw the movie. Spoilers ahead.

I’m still unsure of what I feel about the movie. It’s been a few hours and though I’m pretty sure I disliked it, I’m still thinking about it a lot. It’s no masterpiece of cinema, this I can assure.

First, the acting: I disliked both Silk Spectres. Malin Akerman I actually thought was less to blame than Carla Gugino. She’s no great actress that’s for sure, but still I think she made the best of very poor material. Spectre II’s background was so heavily edited out of the movie that her big scene on Mars was never going to work. She did good on the action scenes and was hot on both her sex scenes with Dan. The sex scene with Doc Manhattan was a mess, true, but by no fault of her’s. Now, Carla Gugino I felt gave really odd readings of her lines when old and never really rang true. She was very sexy as a young Sally, though. Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Patrick Wilson were good, Billy Cruddup was very good and Jackie Earle Hailey was great. Every time he was seen with his mask off was thrilling. The rasping voice did take some getting used to.

What else… well, Nixon didn’t bother me, the beginning montage was good but not as good as I expected from the reviews I read, Mars was magical, the violence is the most graphic I think I’ve seen in a movie and the sex scene in the Owlship was really hot!

Now, to the meat of it: the greatest fault in the movie is its got no heart. It’s beautiful to watch; the sets are works of art and Snyder’s just wonderful when it comes to arresting visuals and visual world building, but things are almost never compelling emotionally. Partly the blame is the script’s own, I suppose, but Snyder never feels warm or intimate. The only touching moments in movie are Rorschach’s and Doctor Manhattan’s, whose reminiscing on Mars is actual great film. The rest of it maybe exciting, titillating, amusing, shocking or whatever, but it’s pleasures are either visceral or coldly intellectual, never sentimental. Sometimes it feels like a Kubrick movie gone wrong. I was often reminded of “A Clockwork Orange”, my least favourite movie of his I’ve watched.

The excision of all the little “little people” moments hurts the story immeasurably. Without spending time with the newsdealer and the kid who read the comics, by not taking time to show us the psychiatrist’s reaction to treating Rorschach and his home life and troubles, by not showing us the squabbling lesbians, the climax of the movie doesn’t work. The whole thing’s so pessimistic and nihilistic that, without having seen the little (and great) acts of kindness ordinary people are capable of, without having Holis’ death as an example of the genuine horror of meaningless death, with no small dramas and tiny everyday crisis to empathize with, when millions die by the end we just don’t care. The ethical dilemma the movie poses is not whether the ends justify the means when the means are so horrific, it’s whether this particular end (the salvation of mankind) is valid at all!

I’ll admit to a little hyperbole here, but not much. Sure, the movie is already hideously long as is, these cuts were very likely necessary. But I maintain that without those story elements, as it was actually filmed, the thing’s no more than a sadistic superhero story with good atmosphere and great set-pieces. Maybe a different director could make it work, I don’t know.

I was also bothered with the quality of the script for a lot of other things. I don’t want to parrot other reviews I’ve read on the web but: “Whatever happened to the American Dream?” “The American Dream? This is it. We’re living it!” doesn’t work when actually spoken on the screen and neither do several other lines. The movie is severely muddled and has no forward momentum whatsoever for maybe two thirds of its running time. Also, the new ending doesn’t work. The concept of it is fine and I have no problem with it, it doesn’t seem to be inherently better or worse than the squid. But the execution is lacking. After unspeakable and lovingly shot acts of graphic violence throughout the movie when the end comes it’s much too clean. I can live without gruesome extra dimensional squid flesh, but no blood? Not one drop, not one body? The thing’s hygienic! Where’s the shock and the impact? Why suddenly go for metaphysical horror after more than two hours of visceral gross-outs?

Tying in with discussion of the ending, Matthew Goode was awful. He had no presence, physical or otherwise, his accent and line readings were bizarre and he seemed mildly stoned all the time! His was a performance comprised entirely of wrong notes. Also, what the hell were the scriptwriters going for in the Lee Iaccoca scene? It was just stilted exposition of unneeded background material for Veidt.

In the end, it seems to me Zack Snyder lovingly adapted the text of Watchmen to the big screen while leaving behind all the sub-text, the conceptual play, the formalistic games, and subtly humanistic themes that actually made it one of the greatest comics I’ve ever read. The story of Watchmen is okay, the set-pieces go from interesting to awesome and the background is fascinating, that’s true, but those aren’t the point! The point is how Moore and Gibbons tell the story, the point is ethical discussion on power and its uses and its ethics and the thing, damn it, is humanistic, not nihilistic! When Moore transformed ideal supermen into deeply flawed men in masks and cast them in so hellish a world Nixon was in his fifth term as president he still managed to them reserve some sympathy. Dirty paranoid Rorschach has immense dignity as he walks out into the snow to die. Dan is allowed to gain his manhood back, Laurie and Sally manage some peace with the past, even the Comedian, monster that he was, is showed as being capable of basic positive humanity, in his rejection of Veidt’s plan. Rorschach’s defining moment, the murder of the child kidnapper and murderer is made to seem much too cool in the movie. It’s supposed to be horrific not only because a child died and was then avenged in a ruthless manner, but because that’s the moment Walter Kovaks the man became unable to cope any more and disassociated into his masked persona. In the book the greatest sin, the one Ozymandias commits, is to willfully distance oneself from humanity and cast judgment on it. It’s only when he makes peace with Jon Osterman that Doctor Manhattan’s allowed to become the god he had the potential to be. Nothing in the movie spoke to me about the need to accept one’s own faults and those of others, of the need of kindness to oppose evil, of the inherent dangers of the use of power or of personal responsibility or of a number of other things it could and should have.

For all it’s supposedly uncompromising nature, the movie underestimates the audience’s intellect continuously by its refusal to engage in any meaningful problematisation (is this a word in english?) of anything that actually matters. Violence is still okay and free of consequences in the movie, as long as its done by the good guys. However there’s never any doubt in the movie of whom the good guys are. Even the insistence of calling the second generation of vigilantes “The Watchmen” muddles an important point in the discussion this movie should elicit but won’t. It is adult in its violence and sexual content but never in the way it thinks.

Sorry about the length of this post. Seems I am naturally long winded. All of the above is obviously IMO.

P.S. Doctor Manhattans big blue dick is both big and blue, I’ll grant it. Why every single professional reviewer feels a need to mention and sometimes to criticize it however I have no idea. I honestly wouldn’t have given it a single thought were it not for the fact so many people talk about it. It’s not even that easy to see because of the weird color and the blue glow.

Yeah it was on a control panel at some point.
Edit: Huh. I just saw that Sulggy has a Watchmen thing up too.

Well, I can certainly see the problems with Ackerman—though she sure had the looks and the moves (she and her stunt double, anyway :wink: ). Though it occurs to me that if her performance/dialogue was truer to the original comic…people (mostly the audience members who hadn’t read the book yet, which can’t be brushed off outright) would probably complain that she was acting too girly and emotional. :smack:

They were grinding the gears on some of the exposition and dialogue, too. But that was a lot to try and squeeze in there without causing a rash of bladder ruptures.

I missed the Squid, too—that’s mostly the mad scientist in me talking—but actually, I really liked the way they handled it in the movie. It easily cut an hour or two of backstory they’d have had to squeeze in, and frankly, it comes less out of left field than the “attack” in the book, and ties in with the world’s perception and loss of Manhattan. Quite elegant, I thought.

As for the political aspect, however…look, I realize that this isn’t 1985, and there would bound to be some disconnect with audiences today if you just made the film reflect the fears about politics and the world situation from 25 years ago. But really—not a small amount of what they put in the movie just felt like pasted on “huh-huh, Republicans are so stupid” stuff so they could pat themselves on the back for being so with-it. (Ooh, look, Veidt’s making a veiled remark about making the Oil Barons the “new villains” in his toy line…and then they gets SHOT!) (Were they even HAVING problems with fossil fuels in the comic? They sure had plenty of electric cars.)

As vdgg81 noted, Moore did a brilliant job at spreading the sympathy around, even when it was a “bad guy.” Nixon, even corrupt and militaristic as he might have been, wasn’t chomping at the bit for a nuclear first strike; the Soviets have a perfectly understandable point of view, but they went for a left hook through Southwest Asia as soon as Manhattan disappeared, not just parking just short of the border to see if it was a trick to draw 'em out. (Hell, even the depraved child killer was a quickly terrified, pathetic shlub who loved his dogs)

sigh Maybe that’s just a sign of the times, though. It all seems very vogue.

Bah…anyway, though, I thought it was a pretty good movie. It wasn’t an amazingly great movie, but that’s a high standard for anyone, and it was a tall order to begin with. But it was trying. It would have been really easy to completely phone it in, and make something that’d sell crappy action figures.

And if nothing else, it was fun to see it all in the flesh (sometimes literally :smiley: ), and in action. But there’s certainly some depth there, and a enough of the original Watchmen at it’s core to make it worthwhile.

The way I see it, he just lacked any sort of charisma at all. He’s too quiet and understated. It never feels like he’s the centerpiece of any scene, even during the ones that are supposed to center on him (his talk with the corporate bigwigs before the fake assassination attempt, or when he’s explaining his plan at the end). He sinks into the background. And he doesn’t manage to give any empathy to the character - from the very start of the movie, he’s delivering his lines like a Bond villain. He comes off as sinister from the get-go.

The way I always interpreted Ozymandias in the comic was a very well meaning guy. In his earliest flashback, he’s extremely earnest in his belief that a new superhero team can fix the world. Later on, he’s still earnest in that he’s doing the right thing. In movie form, there are two paths to go, IMO: either 1) cast someone extremely likeable, setting up a dichtomy between “I should believe this nice young man with his good looks” and “this guy just purposely killed millions of people”; or 2) cast someone who can truly play a charismatic villain and pull off a forceful argument that he’s right. The guy they got did neither - he wasn’t likeable, and he didn’t have the charisma to pull off the latter.

My overall view is that it’s an ambitious film, loyal to the source material, and kick ass in most places, but Ozy was miscast and the film suffered from confusion of tone in places and a general lack of emotional resonance.

An amazing technical, visual and political (getting the film made as intact from the source as it was and it avoiding Disneyfication) work. But not a great artistic work (emotionally - obviously the visuals are great).

Spoilers be ahead mateys.

Well he’s hairless. Lack of pubes makes any man seem larger. I was impressed that they chose to make him uncircumcised. The big blue schlong was a little more obtrusive than in the graphic novel, where it’s cleverly hidden off panel for the first few issues and then shown with little detail. In the movie it was large enough to swing to and fro. Not that I’m complaining. They probably should have had a brief mention of why he’s naked all the time though, for those who hadn’t read the GN.

I don’t think that’s the issue here. It’s pretty definitive that the text itself considers Manhattan to be the only superpower, and Ozy’s bullet catching is merely a superior feat of training. If you don’t buy that as possible in real life, then you should consider it a mistake in the text, not an alternate interpretation. It was only recently that Mythbusters busted the bullet-catching myth, so it’s perfectly reasonable to think that even if you personally never believed it was possible, that it was something reasonable for someone else to believe at the time. More specifically to the movie though - he’s wearing special gloves, so it’s less of a stretch.

Yeah, that’s why it was easy to miss. :slight_smile: I actually think just calling them the Watchmen would have worked better anyways. At first you think, oh it’s the second group after the MINUTEmen, called the WATCHmen, so it’s a play on the earlier name, and then later you realize it also has resonance to the watchmen of the Latin quote, and also resonance with Manhattan’s watchmaker story. The only that doesn’t work is the graffiti Latin quote wouldn’t make as much sense, since if you thought it was referring to the hero group, you’d wonder why when they never got past that first meeting.

Other than a few specific things, Gibbons seems pretty happy. Wasn’t he involved in pre production also? Gibbons has said that Moore asked him not to bring up the subject, so I’m guessing Moore just refusing to talk about it. I doubt he’ll actually bother to see it. I suspect that besides the issue of studios butchering things, he also feels that works in one medium cannot be satisfactorily translated into other mediums.

Well ‘looking over shoulders’ is right - they specifically mention in the movie that the Earthlings will behave because they are afraid of the Wrath of John. I have mixed feelings about it. Coming in, I thought I would miss the squid, but I think the squid is missed more from a nostaligc sense than an actual plot sense. Blaming it on John actually makes more sense, plotwise, and ties back into the whole other plot Ozy did with John. It also give John a much stronger reason to leave Earth than he did in the GN. On the other hand, what the ending was missing is visceralness. The squid really brang that home - the messiness and mental shock of it all - but the same thing could have been accomplished almost to the same extent without the squid if they had kept all the dead bodies, especially if we had spent more time with those bodies before they died.

It sure was, except at the end, where it was most needed. It was also surprisingly sexually graphic - not just for the blue schlong - but for the sex scenes. Which is not a bad thing.

I’m not sure bad acting was really the problem although I can see why you might say that. At worst, the older Silk, and the younger silk when she breaks down on Mars were not well acted. Rorschach was both great and pretty much exactly like the GN. Dan was very good, possibly better than the GN. Manhattan was great except during the Mars scene, and well translated. Silky looked and was generally portrayed well. But her character wasn’t flashed out enough, and her more emotional scenes such as on Mars and with her mother didn’t work. This could have been as much a script/directing/editing problem though. Both her and Ozy were actually much better than I was expecting from the trailers in terms of portrayal and acting. Ozy did ok, but he was tragically miscast, and misportrayed. In the novel he is a master of both mental and physical realms. In the movie he is an ubergeek with fast reflexes - a sort of speedy gay Bill Gates. They made him too nerdy and too gay. He should have had a more physical presence, been more manly and muscular, and had a less feminine wardrobe. Comedian was fine, pretty much as I imagined him. He might have done with a little more screen time. Midget crimelord was the worst actor. He went beyond cartoonish and into fan film territory.

One thing I really liked about the movie was how well it portrayed the relative fighting skills of the characters. Which is something that is implied or even stated in the graphic novel, but you just don’t get the same feel for it as you do in the movie. The movie also gave me a better impression for the relationship between Dan and Rorschach. The first time I read the GN it seemed like Dan was afraid of R and tiptoeing around him when he visited to not get hurt. But really, they used to be friends, and Dan’s nervousness has more to do with awkwardness about the fading of their partnership, and with R’s being wanted by the law.

I thought it was more that the tone was inconsistent. It definitely had some strong and even interesting and/or unique and powerful tones in parts. But it suffered in part from being too comic booky in some parts and being too real in others. Whereas most hero movies try to be one or the other - Dark Knight tried to be all realism (and so lost out on being able to portray any superpowered, mutant, or magical villains or storyline). Most try to be all cartoon. Watchmen tried to do some of both. I’m not sure how much of it actually failed on it’s own merits and how much failed because of audience expectation. There was some dissonance similar to that experienced in watching a film like Shortbus, but that film did a better job of acknowledging the dissonance and then gradually getting the audience over it.

Which? The first one where Dan can’t perform is supposed to be funny, or at least awkward - that’s the whole point of it. The second one is actually pretty hot. There’s some audience dissonance at not expecting that explicit of a scene in a comic book movie, but that’s not a flaw in the scene itself, and it may even have been one of the intentions of the original GN.

As I said above, they probably should have kept it at Greek statue proportions to keep from swinging, and probably shouldn’t have cut the GN’s explanation, but that it was distracting says more about the audience than the movie.

Maybe. The Silk Spectre stuff was needed or she’d have even less character than they left her with. We actually needed either more or better stuff for her storyline. Although the credits stuff was really cool, I think some of that stuff would have made more sense when NiteOwl I and II are chatting and/or when Rorschach is explaining who is on his list of potential mask killer victims.

Yeah. He was a bit cartoonish in appearance, and the voice wasn’t done well.

This is pretty much how it is in the GN. Which is pretty essential to the whole ‘I’m not a cartoon supervillian - my plan has already happened’ bit. My only complaint would be that if I hadn’t already read the GN I would have been a little confused about the Pyramid Corp clues, and also that they could have expanded on how the Comedian found out and why he didn’t act on this info.

I’d rather see realistic consequences of violence than not, in any movie, but especially in one based on this particular GN. I actually thought they did a really good job with the fight scenes. The relative skill levels of the difference characters was very well portrayed. As was the pure joy and exciting thrill they got out of fighting. And the choreography was great. There was no excessive jump cutting such that you got vertigo and couldn’t tell what was actually happening like is the trend in other movies of late. And the fight jumping, especially Rorschach’s jumping around on ladders and roofs was very well done - probably the best I’ve seen outside of the Matrix. It did not look like either wirework (most movies) or CGI (Daredevil, Spiderman).

What are you referring to here?

Explain!

I was thinking the same thing - I liked most of the music choices, but a lot of them did seem more appropriate for the historical scenes than the 1985 era ones. Ride of the Valkeries was perfect for the Vietnam scene. Hallelujah was a little jarring. The music itself was sexy, and the lyrics I’m neutral on, but the singing was not right for that scene. Maybe some more stuff like what was in the trailer. I also like the main Watchmen ‘theme’.

Yeah, you (and vdgg81 and Ranchoth) may be right about getting the character of Laurie mixed up with the actress’s portrayal of her. But then again, I think a stronger actress could have provided the layers to help make Laurie’s underwritten character arc more convincing. A key aspect of Laurie’s hatred of Eddie Blake is disgust, a product of her own self-loathing and confusion, since she knows deep down what she won’t admit consciously. There are a lot of complex emotions there, and Ackerman seems merely petulant. I really missed that scene where Laurie throws the drink in Blake’s face. Without it, the reveal at the end doesn’t carry as much weight as it should. Acting aside, I also thought Jon’s “you need to see time from my perspective” mind-zap thing was a pretty cheesy way to get to the flashback, which telegraphed the reveal WAY too soon. But, these are nitpicks. Malin did look perfect for the part, I’ll give her that, and most of the time she was fine; I just wanted to care about her more.

I too was distracted by the complete lack of carnage in the post-apocalyptic scenes, especially in contrast to the long, loving, shots of gore in other parts of the film. Are we supposed to be more devastated by crumbled buildings than bloody pulp? I thought it was interesting that Jon envisioned being “surrounded by death” and not actually seeing any, y’know, death. Just absence of life. I did find it oddly sweet that NYC gets leveled yet the twin towers remain standing. That was a nice touch.

I don’t know, I actually liked that contrast to the graphic violence during the rest of the film – the messiness of human anatomy is very quintessentially human, while the clean and scalpel-like precision of the catastrophe at the end (also note how the rim of the crater Manhattan and Laurie are standing at near the end looks almost precisely circular and, well, neat) serves to drive home the point about non-humanness at least a bit.

And I totally agree with what you said about the fight choreography. Nice to see who was hitting whom for a change, instead of tenths of seconds flashes of various non-specific body parts connecting.

That was beautiful.

The kiddie rapist plot wasn’t flawed, Rorschach was: The whole point to the story was that Rorschach convicted the man and left him to die horribly on the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence. It established him as someone who had no real grasp of law, order, or human dignity, which is explained fully by his upbringing and his past. If the guy admits to the crime or if conclusive evidence is found, Rorschach is justified as opposed to being a psychotic vigilante.

The other main flaw in the movie’s version was that in the movie, Rorschach acted in a fit of rage. In the book, he acted with slow deliberation and an intent to torment. The Rorschach in the novel is too divorced from human emotion to do things in fits of rage, which is how most normal murders are carried out.

I do like how they changed the ending, though. It might humanize the Comedian somewhat but it gives Dr. Manhattan a much better reason to leave Earth. Finally, what higher irony can there be than humanity being shoved away from total annihilation by a relatively minor cataclysm born out of the ‘flesh’ and subsequent mistrust of its major benefactor?

As for Ozy’s bulletcatching trick: He’s a man trained to the very peak and pinnacle of human perfection, mentally and physically. He’s fearless, shameless, and, in his own way, as divorced from normal humanity as Rorschach and the Comedian, and nearly as divorced from it as Dr. Manhattan. He’s also wearing a really nifty suit complete with what are obviously rather practical gloves in a world where Dr. Manhattan has been synthesizing who-knows-what at the quark level for decades. If it isn’t possible, it’s a flaw in reality, not the novel. :slight_smile:

I really enjoyed the film. I think it was more than faithful enough to deserve the name and the characters, and it was unfaithful enough to work on screen. I particularly enjoyed the changed ending, which I do think resolved a problem in the source material. I’m looking forward to the DVD so I can see Tales of the Black Freighter in its full glory.

Um…circumstantial? He found clothing, chopping marks…and at least one long bone. It didn’t visibly have a shoe on it, in the novel, and I also don’t know good Rorschach was at identifying human skeletons. On the other hand, I guess we don’t know what else he might have found (after butchering the dogs, for instance) that the reader wouldn’t have seen. For circumstantial, he’s got the spontanious confession (“You think I had something to do with that little girl, right?”) before he actually says anything to the guy, and whatever the tip was that brought him to the guy’s house to begin with.

And as for the “fit of rage”…look, for most of the movie, he only see his masked head, he’s mutter/growling his narration, and he moves in lurches. There’s not a lot to read there, objectively (hmmm…what’s that remind me of?) For his killing of the child killer, even the personal revelation/psychological break of young Rorschach doesn’t look any different from how he normally acts, later on, and his “inner monologue” is being told years later, in his “normal” voice. The way to make the impression on the viewers that this is a pivotal point in his life is to show him acting differently that we’ve seen him before—such as with a howl of grief and rage, and a frenzied hacking. This is the first time we see him doing that…and it was basically his last time.

Perhaps the changes were for making more of a visceral, emotional impact, rather than a coldly cerebral one like the book—like I said, chillingly effective or not, onscreen, it’s a few more minutes of looking at Rorschach standing still, thinking out loud—taking advantage of the change in media. Or maybe they just wanted to keep the whole thing under four hours.

In an abandoned textile factory or warehouse. (Don’t recall. Doesn’t matter.)

The occupant was a butcher. Animals have long bones, too.

Precisely. Most people would be hesitant to form conclusions on such flimsy evidence.

Nothing. We can’t assume anything. If we do, we have to assume Rorschach is undermining his own story. He wouldn’t do that.

He tortured 14 people before someone gave him a name. Word gets around. Anyone in that neighborhood would be eager to make Rorschach look for someone else.

There isn’t a lot to read in his face, either, until the very end. We see a good amount of it when he’s in prison. He’s emotionally shut down from a combination of childhood abuse and living like he has.

This all has merit, but I still think the book’s version is more effective at fully establishing the character.

That, again, has merit. You do have to make changes when you take a story and transpose it from one medium to another. (And this book was supposed to be “unfilmable”, remember? :))

:dubious: It sounds stupid. However, maybe I’ll know better once I’ve seen the film.

-FrL-

The sex scene with “Hallejulah” playing and the orgasm represented by the blast of fire from the ‘Archie.’ I thought that was ridiculous. Although Snyder showed remarkable restraint during the scene by not including a montage depicting a train racing into a tunnel, missiles being raised for action, oil rigs pumping away, etc.:smiley:

I saw it last night. To precursor my thoughts: I’ve been a Watchmen fan for 20+ years, having originally read it in installments when it first came out, so I have a pretty good grasp of the source material. Also, I haven’t read this thread or any professional critiques of the movie, so if I repeat some things already said, I apologize.

Overall, I find myself disappointed. Not because the movie was horrible - it wasn’t - but because it was so close to being really good. Being that close and falling short is much more frustrating than the movie just sucking.

Of course, my biggest objection is changing the ending. I’m sure this has been discussed to death by page 3 of this thread, so I won’t spend a lot of time on it, except to say I felt it was much less effective than the “alien.” Making it Dr. M - and clearly implying that the threat of him still watching over the earth is what will keep people cooperating - is lame. An actual external threat that humans need to band together to fight is so much better. How the fuck are you going to fight Dr. M (as Nixon suggests in his speech)? Lame.

Second biggest problem was that Malin Ackerman was so completely out of her league it was painful. She couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag. Aside from the fact that she looked nice, I cannot image why she was cast. Terrible, wooden acting.

Third biggest problem was the Rorschach sequence with the psychologist. First, Rorschach explains himself too quickly. It would have been better to have him do the “pretty flowers, clouds” but, then cut to some other scenes - perhaps the fryolater fun, or anything else - then cut back to a later session where he finally opens up to the psychologist. It just went too quickly. Secondly, I was deeply disappointed in how Rorschach kills the kidnapper. Hacking him in the head was soooo much less effective than cuffing him, giving him the hacksaw, and lighting the place up. The simply head hack was so pedestrian, and did not adequately convey Rorschach’s sadism. I simply do not understand why that change was necessary.

I wish they had found a way to include the ancilliary characters from Times Square and around - the newspaper vendor and comic reader, Joey and her lover, the knot tops, etc. And not having Hollis killed was a bummer - that’s such a powerful scene in the book. But I understand why those probably had to be left out, given the length.

Sex scene in Archie was overdone. Why *Hallelujah *instead of You’re My Thrill? (The previous scene on the couch was very good, though).

OK, enough griping. Here’s what I did like, in no particular order:
[ul]
[li]Visually it was extremely faithful to the source. Much care was taken and it worked well.[/li][li]Jackie Earle Haley was damn near perfect as Rorschach, both in look and in demeanor. He saves the film from being a failure.[/li][li]Ozymandias pleasantly surprised me - I thought he looked anemic when I saw him in previews, but he didn’t bother me much at all on screen. (I don’t think they did a good job on his backstory, though).[/li][li]I enjoyed the detached affect of Dr. M - that’s a hard thing to pull off and be both convincing and not boring. Well done. [/li][li]The Comedian was decent, if not spectacular. His crying scene with Moloch was pretty good.[/li][li]The Rorschach and Big Figure sequence was excellent (until the very end, but I’m not griping anymore, so I won’t elaborate).[/li][li]Dan was appropriately schlubby - I thought he did a fine job of acting, particularly since so many of his scenes were opposite a cardboard cut-out.[/li][li]I liked the opening credits - did a nice job of establishing some backstory and explanation of the universe.[/li][/ul]

To be fair though, it’s only staying true to the source material (the fire blast, that is). But yeah, seeing it in motion definitely makes the ridiculousness jump out at you more.

Yeah, I know it’s in the book; it may have worked in 1985 but not after movies such as Austin Powers and the like have had so much fun skewering the cliche!

Anyone else get the feeling that Watchmen’s box office will drop significantly next weekend? And that the film might soon become known as a bomb?

Meant to add this:

Anyone know if the movie is doing well at the box office this weekend?

It’s done well taking in 25 million on its opening day in the US. By comparison, 300 ,another comic-book movie by Snyder, took in 28 million and ended up with 210. Watchmen should end up close to that which would mean a solid but not spectacular success.

Really? I thought it was obvious. The exact same scene was done in Mad Max. There’s no WAY they’d go with recreating a scene, however coincidental, from another movie that way. Perhaps Moore took it from Mad Max and perhaps he didn’t, but no way does it happen in this movie.

In fact, to acknowledge it (I think) Mad Max or The Road Warrior is playing on Veidt’s Wall-O-TVs at Karnak.

I agree that maybe something else should have been done. But that change from the book is utterly justifiable given the history of the scene.

IIRC a ‘you can make it through your ankle in five’ scene also features in Saw (haven’t seen it, going by ads and trailers)

So, I understand why they would have changed it.