We can bring murder victims back to life by killing their murderers. Should we?

I’ll take Model C, the city of Detroit and John Lennon’s body to go, please.

I’d take any of the options. In the end, who really cares if anyone dies? I realize that that’s a pretty anti-social view, but there are only two options that could be had:

(1) There’s no God, and we’re all doomed anyway, so in the end, what importance is there to life? Yeah, being egoists we all want to live, but in the end, it doesn’t matter anyway. The sun will explode, and so anything that we’ve done amounts to naught.

(2) There is a God, and we either go to Heaven ('cos he’s the Christian God), or go to hell ('cos he’s one of the other Gods), and so also nothing that’s been done is important, either. In the end, it’s the same as (1), except you’re either in heaven or hell afterward.

Yeah, I’m greedy according to some definitions, and want to preserve my own life, so I’d not want to go into the machine. But in the end, what would it matter? Innocent, guilty, third-trimester, whatever.

Model A goes to the world, Model B goes to Aslan, and Model C gets stashed away…just in case I become invaluable to an Evil Overlord.

Seriously?

If Models A & B were a reality, you’d need to completely rework the entire Justice Branch of our government when concerning Homicides. Since the device doesn’t discern self-defense over murder, then it should mostly be used in cases of pled guilt. Caught red-handed type scenarios. And even that, I feel is open to some lee-way. Also, in cases where it was obviously NOT self-defense. Like a child murder. I don’t think repentance or consent needs to factor in at all (sociopaths rarely are). Did the murderer ask their victim if they would consent to die by multiple stab wounds and maybe a raping?

*Sign here, here, and initial here. STAB STAB STAB STAB!
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Model C would have to be nuked from orbit.

But, but… you just killed the entire population of my home town, and John Lennon is still dead. :frowning:

I have a few questions:

  1. Who created these devices?

  2. Is it possible that in the future someone will acquire the blueprints to said devices and thus be able to manipulate its cellular regeneration data to be applied in medical situations?

  3. I assume that there IS some regeneration thingy-wingy in the engine to allow for life to return, which would explain why someone who was cut up into dozens of pieces might suddenly pop back together. Am I wrong?

Ok, I’m sending Model C to the Marianas trench (for the obvious reasons), also Model A (since it doesn’t take any account of self defence or any other reason that might mitigate the sentence) and keeping Model B.

The reason? Model B is essentially time-unlimited when it comes to sacrificing murderers, since you’re allowed to sacrifice your murderer for a different victim. So in this case, we have enough time to conduct a decent trial, taking into account culpability and any other mitigating factors. Anyone found guilty and sentenced to death is put on death row in the ordinary way. At that point, we wait for a murder victim to come up. Next “suitable” murder victim gets ressurected by sacrificing that murderer. The original victim is SOL, unless there was a previous murderer to be sacrificed for them, but then, they would be if we took the machine to the trench too.

Obviously given that not every human-caused death is going to result in the conviction and sentencing to death of a culprit (especially given serial killers and the like), we’re going to have more candidate victims for ressurection than murderers to take care of them. We would probably have to do some sort of triage. 99-year-old Granny Smith probably doesn’t make the cut, nor Joe Wifebeater - Susie Fouryearold who got strangled by her abusive stepfather is a shoe-in though.

Also, again it provides an out for seriously innocent people. Someone who’s legitimately never killed anyone but is about to go on trial for murder can simply volunteer to go through the machine and save themselves the trauma (and the court system a lot of time)

Aspidistra, Model B still has the same problem as Model A, that of not taking intent into account. Self-defense (to prevent painful deaths, for example) and accidents still qualify as murder, as far as the Lazarus Engines are concerned.

Heck, we’re not even told how directly you had to have been involved in the killing. What happens if, say, your child didn’t want to go to school, but you made them, and then there was a shooting where the child was killed. Is the child’s death considered “due to the action of” you?

Yes, that’s what the trial is for. We still have to prove culpability the old fashioned way, but with model B we have time to do so, since we’re not locked in to ressurecting one specific murder victim.

A to be used in any non-contested death. I figure if nobody steps up and says I killed him in self defense/accident/whatever reason then everyone is fair game for the device. Anyone who thinks they have a real defense will step forward to evade the machine. They get a fair trial to determine if it was justified. If nobody steps up law enforcement is given 72 minus X hours to run suspects through the machine. At that time the corpse is transfered to the B-Team.

B is used to revive people in the last few hours prior to the 72 hour window. The sacrifices are the ones who came forward from above to avoid the A machine, and then lost their trial. They admited they killed someone so B will accept the sacrifice, and society has decided they are guilty of murder(opposed to killing).

The flaw in using B is if someone comes into the knowledge of the murder after it happend, and was not involved. Then for some reason(love maybe?) they take the fall and admit to it. Once they admit to it, and claim there is a defense they are exempt from the A machine. They are found guilty at their trial, and sent to the B machine to revive another person. B rejects them because they never killed. Now we get to open the investigation all over again.

C I don’t see a use for so it goes to Aslan/Darth Vader/Mike Calahan

-Otanx

If you’re cool with the whole euthanizing of the terminally ill thing, I suppose Model C could have its use. If those that wished to end their pain and suffering on their own terms could be brought together for the good of raising someone who was wrongfully murdered, I can see that as a good thing. YMMV.