"We don't subscribe to the germ theory."

That has GOT to be the punchline to a joke…

It’s more commonly known as “Ch’i” or “Chi”, or in Japan, “Ki”.

Personally, I don’t believe all of it, but it’s always seemed to me that it was simply an acknowledgement that your mind affected your body, and your body affected your mind. And also that if you cultivated a healthy body and outlook, and maintained it, you would remain healthy, as redundant as that sounds. Then again, the little Chi that I do practice is solely that which is mentioned in my Shaolin class, so it’s more pragmatic than mystical.

Wait a minute. If, as the quack in the OP seems to think, germs don’t cause disease, then one wouldn’t need a strong immune system in the first place, therefore having spinal adjustments wouldn’t be necessary. If having a strong immune system is important, and spinal manipulation does actually strengthen it, then that would seem to be a good reason to support germ theory, with chiropractic treatment being used to fight infections. The quack is missing an opportunity here. To drum up business, he should support the idea that germs cause disease, but that chiropractic is the best preventative and curative treatment for it.

My best friend’s sister is a physical therapists, and she loves chiropractors; she gets many of her best customers from them.

I work with one of these.

Having to listen to him rant about the uselessness of doctors every, single, fricking day is one of the things driving me slowly, inexorably towards madness.
Funny thing is he works in a hospital lab because he’s run three chiropractic practices, in two different states, into the ground.

I once told him I’d listen to his theories if he’d go into microbiology and lick an inoculated culture plate.

Oddly, he declined.

Not quite true (yes, it’s a nitpick)

If a child has a medical condition that would make a vaccination dangerous - depressed immune system from organ transplant, HIV infection, genetic disorder, cancer treatment, allergy to vaccine component. whatever - the vaccination requirement is waived. Whether or not public school is, medically, a good idea for such a child might also be a question but that would have to be evaluated on a case by case basis.

Also, there are religious exemptions, but you usually have to produce some proof of this being a requirement of a religion you’ve been practicing for some time.

Thanks for the info, I wasn’t aware some states allowed admittance with vaccinations, since any state I’ve ever lived in hasn’t.

I wonder if the mush that’s left of them after they catch ebola will subscribe to the germ theory.

This is funny… imagine these guys rewriting history…

starting with the great subluxation pandemic of 1918! Damn, those were some hella contagious subluxations to kill millions.

Gullible fuckers. I wonder how many of them REALLY believe?

The greatest test of their “not subscribing to the Germ Theory”;

Get up a good, raging case of the Flu. Go into their office. Sneeze directly into their face. Wipe nose with hand. Extend hand in offer to shake their hand.

“Gee, if you don’t believe in the Germ Theory of disease, then what are you worried about? Not like I can give you subluxations, can I?”

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Yeah, a lot of Chiropractors are really bad. My first one, after a major back injury, seemed to help, but I got real tired of being kept waiting for an hour at a crack in his office while he shot the breeze with other patients (read: customers) (Excuse me, asshole, but I had to take off work to be here. Waste someone elses time, not mine!) and being asked to come back every other day for weeks running. I also got real tired of my back acting up every 5-6 weeks. He never seemed to “solve” any problems.

Now I’m seeing a different guy, who while he may be considered loopy by many of you (none of this ‘subluxation’ nonsense), has considerably cleared up my problems. And I only see him once every 4-6 weeks and am having none of the pain and difficulties that I previously had.

Gadfly wrote:

You’ll know the love of Germ Theory when you’re intestines are dripping out!

They definitely claim one thing, yet frequently their actions clearly show they don’t entirely believe themselves, especially if their own health is at risk, then I have seen signs of waivering in their proclaimations of chiropractic … for example, asking who baked the treats in the kitchen? Specifically wondering if an unclean patient made them or one of the staff prior to indulging. However, when someone else is at risk … oh nononono, “trust me” and all my “knowledge” of health. Sickening in more ways than one. Recently one of the 6 doctors recently went on vacaction somewhere tropical, and when he returned he was spiking a 103 degree fever for a couple of weeks. He saw a few specialists, and he claimed they didn’t know what it was that was ailing him, but he “wasn’t contagious” - though we have no diagnosis to work with, just he “wasn’t contagious.” So this fool was walking around, seeing patients with symptoms of chills, high fever, uncontrollable couging, horrendous occipital headaches, and a giant black dilated pupil in one of his eyes. This went on for three weeks, and he mysteriously cleared up. He was taking antibiotics given to him for no other reason than maybe it would help. But goddamn he was SEEING patients. As I have mentioned, I work away from all the people for the most part, so I have minimal exposure to them, but this worried me enough, not only for my own risk, but all the patients he saw and the rest of the staff, that myself and a co-worker called CDC and OSHA, and we were routed around and around, talking to probably everybody who ever worked there, and we found some disturbing information. Here where I live, doctors have no restrictions on seeing patients when the doctor is ill. There are no guidelines or laws or anything. The CDC was appalled at the situation, yet they said there was nothing official they could do. OSHA said the same thing. Being it was a private business was part of the reason. Everyone we talked to was appalled but that was it. A lot of disbelief and anger and disgust was expressed by these officials, but a doctor can choose to see patients if he wants, even if he is sick. Since there was no proven outbreak or disease, nobody could step in. We’ll have to wait until half the city goes down before anybody notices. So now not only do I have to worry about restaurant kitchen staff spitting, pissing, shitting and whacking off in my food, I have to worry about health care workers giving me some incurable disease. ARRRGH!

“We don’t subscribe to germ theory.”

Well, you should. You’ll save 20% off the newstand price.

Fuck it, Miller, you made me spill grapefruit juice all over my crotchal area.

My (former) Chiropractor is most likely a non-subscriber to the “germ theory” too. He “adjusted” newborns and didn’t think anyone should eat or drink dairy products (I’m not sure what his reasoning was on this - he always recommended soy products). He was proud that his five year old daughter had never drank cow’s milk.

He told me I should remove my navel ring because “the Chinese believe the stomach is an area where a lot of energy flows, you are blocking the energy with your ring.”

I started seeing him for lower back pain, but once that was gone I would need monthly “maintenance visits” forever to be kept well. That’s when I quit going.

Perhaps there are some legitimate Chiropractors out there, but my experience makes me think most of them are of the snake oil variety.

“I think there is an unspoken message here, it’s ‘Fuck you!’”

</Big Lebowski>

Not to beat a dead horse overly much, but I think that sums up the problem right there. You work in a chiropractic clinic and are actually surprised by the nonsense that gets spouted there?

Yes, I’m sure that somewhere there is a “legitimate” chiropracter who treats sore necks and backs without resorting to “subluxation” mumbo-jumbo, “Qi” energy, full body x-rays, “auras” or any of the other quackery that has come to define the practice. I have yet to hear of such a person, however, and I tend to think that if such a person exists he is working under the title “physical therapist” instead.

Barry

My wife is an X-Ray Tech but had a part-time job cleaning the local Chiropractic college. One day an elderly patient suddenly went vague. Her “doctor,” the head of the clinic, stood there looking dumbfounded. Wife, making the diagnosis of a probable stroke, took charge of the situation and told the “doctor” to call 911, which he did. The irony of this guy being bossed around by the cleaning lady because she knew much more Real Medicine was delicious.

The students there were the only “doctors” I have ever seen who actually carried those black doctor’s bags. I suspect it was where they kept their lunches.

I think the following exchange sums up the Feng Shui crap nicely

Asian is the new black.

I thought gay was the new black…or is gay the new latin?