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Wow, a coherent post and it turns out to be a vote against me.

I don’t really object to the vote though. I have only posted a couple of times and I haven’t really explained why I haven’t been around much. Now, those that have played with me before know that I am never the most prolific of posters, but I have been busier this week than normal. I will probably (though I don’t know for sure), be able to be more engaged in the game until Monday when work starts back up. After that, I will probably be able to keep up with the reading for the most part, but may not be able to write posts anytime I want.

It seems that in every game I have played, someone makes a statement that looks like a PIS on Day 1 and gets lynched or closed to lynched for it. They have invariably turned up town. To me, that is what the situation with Tom Scud looks like.

I can’t really blame people for voting him for it, though. We don’t have a hell of a lot else to go on on Day 1. I need to reread, but my vote will probably placed against one of the people that voted against the players that voted agains Tom (man, that is a convoluted sentence, sorry).

I agree with Alka that Oredigger seems a bit wishy-washy, but then I go back and read what I just wrote and think I probably appear that way also.

On preview, Meeko, I would like to also ask Alka’s question. Why did you single me out? Did you just look at post counts or did you read what each of the low posters had written?

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No, but then at this stage in the game I seldom do. It’s probably worth stating, for those people I’ve not played Mafia with before, that I am not one of those people who consider votes as free. “Vote early, vote often” is not a philosophy I subscribe to. Instead, I subscribe to a policy of “votes are significant, so place them when you have at least two pointers of guilt.”

If it gets close to end of Day and I still don’t have enough, then I’ll follow what I think of as the strongest reed.

I find myself in agreement with Storyteller on a couple of points. One of those is Ties Are Bad. If possible, avoid them, especially if the GO promises random mayhem in the event of a tie. Thus, one of my voting determinants may well be voting to break a tie, rather than the person I am most suspicious of. If that is the case, I will say so.

Unless plans change, I should be online at Day’s end. However, because it’s 5pm, I won’t have more than an hour or two after closing the jobhunting books.

Another reason I’m slow is that I need to read the thread at least twice to get any handle on it, and so far Second Read has not even been started.

My gut call is that Tom has been a bit maligned, and people are misinterpreting post 157. I’m not sure whether this is just overeager Townie-ism or Crimson Thorn trying to push a case; probably the former; certainly I doubt that all three of those that voted Tom are Thorn. It’s one of the issues I’ll be trying to answer in Second Read.

More later.

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The vote on Mental was combination of lurking [in terms of raw post numbers] and in terms of not knowing you that well. [Strictly Out of Game].

That in and of itself might be scummy. But do not kid yourself, you [Any MAFIA player] do it as well. If you do not think you do, you are lying to yourself.

That might be scummy. It would be scummy to not answer the question, or to not offer the obvious truth when asked. [It is a simple matter of looking at post numbers, versus my Mafia play history to see that yes, I am playing favorites here.]

I will be honest here gang, I simply do not follow some of the arguments for voting X or Y. Looking at the game now, we have votes going on Oredigger. Not that I could tell you why. Not that I could exactly follow it. I can’t.

Even if I could follow them, it would not mean I would be willing to add my vote.

Again I remind myself that it is only Day 1. The Odds are against us. Sorry to say it Mental, but lynch the lurker is … more viable than not.

Hopefully Thursday will bring us more to work with. As it is now, I am trying to not surpass Mahaloth in post count. That seems lofty at this moment, if still possible.

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Lurking is much more than post counts. Lurking is participation in the game.

We will have great difficulty in lynching the Scum if we approach it like this:

[ol]
[li]Well, let’s see, I need a lynch strategy[/li][li]OK, now I need a simple way to determine Who is doing said activity[/li][li]OK, now I found someone, I can vote and have a clear conscious.[/li][/ol]

A much better strategy, that was taught to me in games where I was newer, is:
[ol]
[li]Look at what someone says, while keeping an open mind[/li][li]Try to imagine why this person might have said this if a) They were Town, B) They were Scum, or c) They were something else[/li][li]Then ask questions, clarify thoughts[/li][li]Make your case, and vote[/li][/ol]
What I see happen too often on Day 1 is that people talk about various Day 1 things, then jus pick a reason, and look for someone to vote. Let’s not waste Day 1that way, let’s analyze why people might be saying what they are saying.

We may mislynch, but we might get lucky. we did find a Scum on Day 1 in Evil Dead for rolefishing, many people said the same thing about that as I’m now hearing about PIS, but don’t just dismiss it. Look for the motivations.
Why would a Town Tom have said that?
[ol]
[li]Maybe to spur discussion?[/li][li]maybe to share his ideas with Town?[/li][/ol]

Why would a Scum Tom have said that?
[ol]
[li]Maybe to see if someone might slip up and reveal that Town has similar roles (their own version of PIS based on their role indicating they are a power?)[/li][li]Trying to appear as a helpful contributing Town?[/li][/ol]

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I think I see the problem I’m having with meeko in a different light.

I hadn’t considered that meeko might be having as much trouble understanding me as I’m having understanding him.

Meeko, is there something I, or anyone else, can do to make it easier for you to understand us?

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Sorry I haven’t posted much today–had a really bad headache earlier. I’ve been following along, though.

For those saying that my uber willingness to lynch makes me scummy–I’m not super wedded to the idea of killing Pal Boozy. He just seems the scummiest to me at this moment. If anyone else wants to put forth someone else, go for it–no one else is really pinging my radar at all.

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**Vote Count:

AlkaSeltzer(2): Oredigger, NAF,

Tom Scud(2): Boozahol, CatinASuit

Boozahol(2): Freudian, JoeyP,

Freudian(1): AllWalker

NAF(1): Tom Scud

Mentalguy(1): Meeko

Oredigger(1): AlkaSeltzer

Again, please feel free to check your vote to make sure I’ve made no errors. :slight_smile: **

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I have finished my reread and I have three top suspects and two lesser ones. Most of my reasons are things that other players have already pointed out.

The top three in no particular order are Freudian Slit, NAF, and Meeko.

I don’t really object to Freudian’s original vote, since Booze had not yet explained himself. But her continued arguing that it is a bad vote even with the reason given doesn’t really seem valid to me.

This makes Joey one of my lesser suspects for the same reasons. Joey, did seem to back off however, when given the full reason for the vote. He has not removed his vote, however. If he fails to do so or does not give more reasons for leaving his vote on Booze, then he will become one of my top suspects.

NAF’s me too vote on Tom just seems a bit too convenient. Of course, I may be biased by the fact that he is actually playing the game and not asking other players to go read and tell him what happened.

I didn’t really mind Meeko giving me a “lynch the lurker” vote, but his admission that it was purely by post count and not recognizing me tips it to the scummy side. I think a person on the scum team may have trouble deciding who is acting the scummiest, and so just base their vote on other reasons.

Oredigger’s indecisiveness could be the same type of indicator, but he is at least explaining his indecision and I think his vote against Alka has a bit more validity than Meeko’s vote against me. Of course, I am viewing that through an inevitably biased lens, so I can’t say for sure.

All that being said, I think Freudian is the one of the above that is most likely scum so I am going to

Vote Freudian Slit

On preview (since I started this post earlier and am just now finishing it, I see that Freudian has stepped in to defend herself. It doesn’t really change anything, though, so I will keep my vote where it is.

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Booze said in post 161 that he was voting for Tom because Tom KNEW that there were supernatural scum elements in the game, IIRC other people have jumped on that wagon as well. Tom never said he knew that, he (IMO) brought the idea up for discussion. Yeah, the fact that Tom said supernatural SCUM did seem odd, but the point remains there are votes against Tom because Tom KNOWS of these elements when Tom never said that. He’s garnering votes for words that were put in his mouth by Booze. Right now, that’s the scummiest thing I’ve seen.

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I appreciate the offer. However, I’m not sure how good this will be for Day 1 reasons on voting.

That is part of my problem, there is no real reason to vote for anyone yet. That is to say, in the very extreme, we could still all be town right now. What if Night comes, and there is no NK? I mean, we are assuming that there is scum here.

Just throwing that out there.

So, to the immediate task at hand of understanding Day 1 votes, I don’t think there is anything real to gain from it. We are all grasping at straws. I have no knowledge that we are, but I am looking at the vote spread, and the number of players. It is obvious that some of us are wrong.

I should not ask for help from someone [or indeed, from multiple people] that are off on the wrong path. Nothing personal, just noob with just 2 games under his belt looking at what he considers obvious.

But, I will take you on a rain check, if I need your help ed. Just, there is no masonry for you run out of here. [My first Mafia game had Ed and I as the only two masons.]

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Yes, I see that you completely misunderstood me.

What you called my ‘offer’ was an attempt to work on the lack of effective communication. It was game-related only in the sense that communication is important to the game.

You’ve claimed to be unable to understand some things. I’m clearly unable to understand you at time. I was hopeful that we could work on a solution to the poor communication.

But, apparently, I’m unable to communicate with you regarding our failure to communicate.

I really didn’t want to do this, but, meeko, I feel you are going to be a distraction. The points you bring up are odd. You don’t seem interested in communicating. And now you are suggesting that maybe there are no Scum. I’m also certainly will continue looking for Scum, but for the time being

Vote: Meeko

At best, I believe your play is anti-Town and distracting.
Also, from my point of view, you have as good a chance of being Scum as anyone else.

And it’s truly nothing personal. I do hope you’ll continue working on improving your playstyle more than you work on defending your playstyle.

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Unvote MentalGuy

Vote Special Ed

The Epitome of OMGUS.

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On the bright side, I think you understand what OMGUS means.

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Bleached.

Okay, now I am really torn. I want to vote Meeko just for this, but now I really think he is town.

I guess it is possible that his scum buddies told him “you are too distracting. Go out and do something really stupid so we can get rid of you.” I doubt that happened, though, and if he were scum, they would be giving him some advice to make his play a bit better.

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But not enough to earn an Unvote?

Here is what I consider to be WIFOM :

ANY person that does one thing, to get a second person to think one thing, and then to immediately think another thing, in terms of that person’s very next post.

If anything doesn’t quite check for me, and I look at other angles that someone could be playing with it, I am a LOT MORE inclined to call it WIFOM than not.

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Yet another aspect of Townieness, xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx.

la dee da

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Hi Mental! My name is Meeko. This is how I [attempt] to play MAFIA. Nice to meet you.

(Special Ed, tell Mental that this is not far from the truth. Please. I know we can both agree on this.)

Ack. Now I’m posting more than Mahaloth. ACK!

Hopefully Mahaloth will post again soon. :stuck_out_tongue:

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WiFoM isn’t meant to be difficult to understand, just impossible to solve.

A simple example. Let’s say I claim Investigator, but I’m really Scum. In my claim, I say I investigated NAF, and he’s Town.

Then I get lynched and flip Scum. Now, did I say NAF was Town to save a Scumbuddy? Or did I say he was Town so you’d not believe me and lynch him?
It’s really impossible to figure out, so, it become Wine in Front of Me, trying to guess which glass is poisoned. (kinda like the Princess Bride, only assume that only one glass was poisoned.)

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Wow. I don’t want to have the second vote for the third time so I’m not going to vote for you Meeko. Well, that and based on playing with you before, I don’t have any reason to think your scum, but in both your words (there might not be any scum) and actions (OMGUS vote, even if it’s just a joke) is likely to get you voted out of the game real quick.

Yeah, that first game that you mentioned, when you were town, you were scums greatest asset. As Ed mentioned, you had town so terribly distracted it was…amazing. I mean, I don’t know how you did it. You were confirmed town* and everyone was so wrapped up in what you were saying they would spend [lower case] days decoding you that they almost literally had no time to do anything else.

*as close to confirmed as you can get without being dead

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