Welcome 35, not

Actually, I am 30, not 23.

Techchick is possibly clinically depressed and is whining about the fact she feels she has shat (shitted?) her life away.

They would if I couldn’t pass myself off as a 23 yr old. Plus this is NYC and not some domed city from Logan’s Run. The bars are filled with single 30+ yr olds. That’s not the point though.

What the fuck are you talking about ‘life’s entree’? The problem is that everyone thinks there is some profound ‘great thing’ they should be doing. That’s not the case. People do what is most important to them at a given point in time. It’s silly to look back through the eyes of someone 10 years older and say “I wish I did this or that” (unless of course you spent the last 10 years in prison, then maybe you shouldn’t have done whatever you did to get put there). Of course, I can say that as a person who is not afraid to try different things or do stuff at a moments notice. There is almost nothing I regret doing and very little that I wish that I had done that I didn’t do. Most of the angst I feel is trying to decide what I want to do for the NEXT 30 years or so.

You talk about ‘empty debauchery’ but in my experience, people who play hard also work hard. You tell me what is more fullfilling - having a lot a friends and sharing good times or being in some mindless rut of work…home…sleep…repeat. Should I feel more regret over not working for 6 months this year or not going in on a shore house with a buddy of mine? I mean it’s not like I’d be out curing cancer or something instead.

What does suck at 30 is that every year, fewer of your friends are around to do stuff with. They get married, move to new cities, get busy at work, etc. More and more time gets sucked up by adult responsibilities like work or family. Of course, it’s not like marriage is a cure-all for all of life’s problems.

I have a birthday on Sunday and I’m dreading it. I’m a divorced bitter old woman and this will only be my 30th birthday.
I hate that my happily married friends comment on the gray showing in my hair. I hate those little laugh lines at the corners of my mouth and the crinkles at my eyes (and at the same time wondering why in the fuck am I still getting zits???)

sigh

No hijack intended…Happy birthday, techchick68

Hmmm…

I’m 41… in my time I’ve umm… I’ve made albums, I’ve been to an Olympics, two Commonwealth Games, and 3 World Championships.

I’ve been around the world countless times. I’ve visited every continent.

I’ve bonked some gorgeous woman.

I’ve made some cool earnings.

And I still do 300 kms a week on the bike and I’m fit as.

I own a business with some real cool contracts and diversified incomes.

Best of all, I have a simply beautiful, wonderful, stunningly attractive loving 27 year old wife and a 9 month old daughter. And the love’s reciprocal.

When I was 35 I used to wonder where life was taking me but I realised at some point that the real danger, the really epic debilitating danger as we get older is that we inherently become more conservative with age - and by extension - we become innately less capable of taking risks.

With this in mind, I recalled a remarkable and unforgettable episode of Get Smart, where Max once opined… “Life is a cumquat 99.”

To this day, I still don’t quite know what it meant, but it seemed to be the little seed I needed - namely, life has no rules. No one gives a shit when you die how much you owned - what counts is that you leave something memorable behind.

To that end… time to get back to my recording studio - gotta lay down some more wicked tracks.

Here… listen to this… http://202.83.95.2/lkmbws/_Goldilocks.mp3 - it’s one of mine - and it sums it all up - and it rocks - absolutely rocks. It’s a 9.6 MB hifi “Zeppelinesque” epic at 7 minutes, but if this song doesn’t pick you up, nothing will.

My life has gotten better every single year since I was 23. There were cool parties and hot chicks and that was great, but I was broke and I worked like a dog for next to nothing. I couldn’t afford to go on real vacations, couldn’t afford my own car, lived in an absolute shithole, was under way more stress than I am now because of school (School, IMHO, is fifty times more stressful than work - and I was doing both) and every romantic entanglement was fun at first and blew up later with all the grace of a cherry bomb at a Japanese wedding. You can have 23, pal. I’ll take the 30s.

Hey, Boo Boo! Have I told you lately how much I hate you? :wink:

So, your band’s name is Goldilocks? Where are your albums available?

One real important thing, techchick68 - take care of that body!
Things really started happening for me in my early thirties-I traveled around the country and the world for work, with lots of down time to enjoy where I was, I got married, I was fit, tan and toned, on my way up in my career. At 35 Mr. singular & I started moving all over the country, along with the critters, and still traveled for vacations. But as soon as I got into my forties, the body I’d always depended on began to crumble. I had vertebtae fused (to no avail), and developed arthritis in my knees and hips and a juicy case of long-undiagnosed (and still not very well treated) Fibro Myalgea (sp?). Now that I’ve hit 50, I just started a new career (2½ years ago) and we’ve hopefully settled in the last place we’ll live. We still do lots of stuff when the pain level can be controlled, and in spite of always carrying handfuls of pills and wearing some sort of support somewhere, we still have plenty of new in our life. It can be done, but now is the time to keep up the exercise and maybe be a careful jock (I think I put a little too much enthusiasm into my daily racquetball).
My world was full of crises then, too - I used to draw cartoons of my head turning into a sinkhole as my dilemmas whirled around in it - so whay you’re going through is normal. Chin up, little buckaroo - from what I can tell about you from this board, you’ve got a great life ahead of you! You’re just in one of the low cycles right now!

Oh, and Happy Birthday!!!

Do you have cancer? Are you selling plasma to pay the rent? Was your house destroyed by a cruise-missile? Were your children blown to pieces recently? Do you have a friend dying of AIDS? Do you have nobody in your life you love? Are you starving to death?

No? Then shut the fuck up.

There was a time when my wife was working at a medical clinic and all of our medical care was free. At the same time I had a case of dandruff that was driving me crazy and wouldn’t respond to any over-the-counter treatment I found. Normally I don’t go to the doctor unless I can’t weasel out of it or else my life is in danger, but how could I pass up a deal like that?

After describing my symptoms I admitted to the doctor that, in a world filled with AIDS, cancer, and other deadly diseases, I felt awkward taking his time for something as trifling as dandruff.

“You are right about all of the other diseases,” he repied, “But that doesn’t make it itch any less, does it?”

The problems we deal with every day may seem small compared with what the victims of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse carry, but they are OUR problems which WE have to solve, not somebody else’s problem which we can only observe. Just as my doctor was happy he had one patient that day he could cure Techchick should be comforted that her problems can be fixed.

(Cue Pearl at the organ)

Exactly, dropzone.

I confess that I sometime get annoyed with someone else being depressed over less-than-cosmic woes, but the fact is, the dandruff still itches and the problems we as individuals face are still problems. Pointing out that there’s some one-legged blind mute out there fighting multiple forms of cancer and leprosy doesn’t automatically mean that our own woes are nonexistent.

And msmith—woah, boy, are you in for a shock when the years progress! But that’s OK, that’s your problem, I suppose. Sooner or later the hot teenaged chicks will think you are a creep and all your friends will have “grown up” and the younger set that you so want to emulate will deem you “tool old,” and hey—that’s your problem. And of course I know you won’t accept it or acknowledge it and that’s your problem too.

Technchick, don’t get so down, my dear! I learned a while ago it’s the ones who feel and have a brain and some dreams that take these things the hardest. Feel lucky that you have a clue, instead of mindlessly going from one day to the next looking for the next trivial activity. You have a mind, you have dreams, you have ambition.

And you look faaaabulous, darling (cue Billy Crystal doing “Fernando” there). Be a little easy on yourself. You’re not the first 35-year-old to feel the way you do. And comfort yourself with the fact that you do have potential, talents and dreams. Consider how tough it must be for the 35-year-old who has none of these things. I’ve known people like that. Trust me, it’s not pretty. Usually they are petty, miserable, hopeless people. You won’t be that, ever. So comfort yourself with that.

I’m nearly 50 (or for the AR among, 48 and a half) and I’m in the process of changing my “career” yet again.
I’m also discovering that I really don’t give a rat’s patootie about most of the things that other people consider a measure of success.
However, being the annoyingly slow learner that I am, I had to remove myself from mainstream America to even really discover what I wanted at this stage of my life.

I haven’t set the world on fire, made tons of money, built a huge nest egg , or boinked more than one man for the last 23 years.
My hips are spreading and my temples are definitely getting gray.
My list of accomplishments are short.
That said I am learning to do something that I think is 1)a worthy and honest way to make a living; and 2) can be a helluava lot of fun on a good day.
After 20 plus years, I’m still discovering what it means to be a good partner.
I’ve developed a few really good friends.
Best of all, I’m really feel that I’m moving in a more spiritual direction.
My point Techchick is that I really don’t believe that there’s any one point in life where one “has it made.”
It’s always a journey.
Sometimes the road’s incredibly uphill and sometimes you’re sailing along with the wind at your back.
Maybe this would be a good time for you to go some place very quiet and take a few days to listen and decide where you want your pilgrimage to go and what path you’re willing to take to get there.
You might surprise yourself.

I think I’m going to use it the next time my wife asks me to write a devotional that SHE had signed up to write MONTHS BEFORE and was due last week. That’ll teach her!

What shock is that? That getting old sucks ass? Thanks for the heads up but I already figured out that one on my own.

And what the fuck are you thinking? That I cruise the high schools searching for underage girls? I hang out with other mid twenty to mid thirty somethings doing stuff that 20-30 somethings do - career stuff, restaurants, vacations, bar and club hopping, whatever. I mean what am I supposed to do? Sit around my front stoop whittling while lamenting life and reminiscing about the “good ole days”. Maybe you could give me a few examples of the “mature” stuff you think I should be doing?

Basically, unless your some kind of Al Bundy type who peaked in high school your 20s and 30s should be the best time of your life. You should still be in relatively good shape and have some money to do stuff.

You’re only young once for a limited time so you mind as well enjoy it for as long as you can. There will be plenty of time to savoir the suckiness of old age once I am older. Acting “mature” does not mean turning into a depressed, bitter lame-o at 30.

IMHO, people get bitter and depressed about getting older because:

  1. They were hot shit in their youth and peaked early
  2. Their youth sucked and they realize that it’s gone for good
  3. They have nothing to look forward to
  4. They were always bitter and depressed…now they’re just older

I guess I would be more upset about getting older if
a) My drivers license photo from last year wasn’t indistinguishable from the freshman college ID card I still carry for the discounts
b) I didn’t get told “I thought you were much younger” on a daily basis.
c) A family friend who hasn’t seen me in literally 20 years somehow managed to pick me out of a crowd at Rockafeller Center. Guess I haven’t changed that much.

So good luck with that old age thing. I’m sure you and techchick68 will have a great time keeping each other company with your 100 cats.

Read more, educate yourself more, cultivate more talents and abilities. These talents and abilities will serve you well throughout your entire life. But, true, some bar hopping, vacations and so forth are always good. But I know a lot of “older” people who enjoy socializing in bars, and most people I know of any age go on vacations. These things don’t stop just because one reaches a certain age, you know.

I am by no means rich, but I make more money now than I did in my 20s. I know more than I did when I was in my 20s. My artwork, pottery and photography is much better than it was when I was in my 20s. I didn’t know how to use Photoshop or do digital art when I was in my 20s. Why would I want to go back to a time when I did not how to do all these neat things?

True enough—each age has its benefits and drawbacks.

I’m just glad that I spent my 20s learning to do thes variety of creative things. Because I can still do these things when I’m 70, 80 and on up. I now have something to show for all that time I spent in my 20s learning that stuff.

True, if I had not learned some of these things (pottery, art) when I was in my 20s, I could still learn them at any time. But since I started learning them at a young age, I’ve had that much more time to get good at them. I learned them when I had more free time and less responsibility. The best time to learn.

Do you have talents and abilities that you can still pursue when you are 80? I’m not saying that you don’t, I am sure you do. But how much time do you spend cultivating them now, so you’ll be extra capable of using then when you are older and have less free time to learn them and cultivate them?

Bully for you. And you know what? I can say the same thing. I don’t think anyone (other than close friends or relatives) know my true age. They usually underestimate it by 8 to 15 years. (And I’m not that ancient yet.) So what does that prove? We are what we are inside.

I realized something when I was quite young. I didn’t want to look at “old age” as something to dread (though I guess we all dread parts of it). I wanted to look forward to it because it would mean that I’d had years and years honing and cultivating the skills and talents that were important to me. And that’s what I’ve done. I chose well (at least in that aspect), I think.

No thanks, I’ll be like my mom—she’s retired now, and is actively composing music, doing pottery and other activities, reads a LOT, and looks a lot younger than she really is. She spent her youth cultivating her music and singing, and for an old broad, she still has a great voice. She didn’t spend her youth bar-hopping and frittering away her time with trivial fun things (not that these things are bad in moderation), she had better things to do. And so do I.

But, good luck to you with the old age thing. What will you be doing then? Bemoaning how old you are, and remembering how much “fun” you had when you were young? Wondering where all the time went? What will you look forward to when you are 60, 70 or 80 years old?

This is the perect thread for me to comment on a former co-worker, I think. He actually got laid off a 6 weeks ago, but he’s been busy interviewing and going boating. Anyway, the guy’s 37, and he hangs out with folks he meets in bars and/or restaraunts who are typically 15 years younger then him. He still parties hard, stays awake all night and whatnot, just not as frequently as he used to. He makes (well he did) a ton of money, his family has some money, he lives a good life.

He sent some pictures last week of his last party and boating trip. There was basically a boatload of 20 yo bikinis chickies loungin all over the place.

My point is that I occasionally got terribly envious of this guy. He’s kind of a self-important arrogant blow-hard, but look at the tits on that one! His life is one big party. Few worries, ecven now that he’s laid off. According to him at least, and it hasn’t slowed his partying any. I hae gotten over it, though, with the realization that, there’s barely anything to his life. Not that one has to be married with kids to be “worthwhile”, but I have kids, I have a wife (who, regardless of my other threads) who would miss me if I died. I have some good friends. I have a house, I’m making a life. In my opinion, if this guy disappeared, the girls would be upset, but there’s another guy over there with a boat, let’s go say hi.

While I may be a selfish prick, I have responsibilities for others that kind of require me to not be at least some of the time. this guy lives for himself and to give himself a good time.

It seems empty to me. And, in the end, I honestly truly feel sorry for the guy.

34 was the suckiest year in my entire life. I mean, I want to slit my wrists sucky. 35 was barely any better.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. I wish I could say something to make you feel better, but I know from experience that stupid platitudes don’t help.

I guess, sorry I don’t have SOMETHING that would give you something you need, but know that so many of us have been there.

Hey, some people need the dull routine of a life strictly defined by job/house/wife/kids/friends. Other people like adventure and have less need for such attachments. Some people crave a few close friendships they maintain for years while others prefer lots of “single serving” friends they aren’t particularly close with.

Mental masturbation. I would rather spend my time cultivating relationships and experiences. Reading and art are fine but they are solitary activities.

Sure they do. You can’t stay out as late. You can’t party as hard. You have kids and a family to take care of and a job to go to. You are physically unable to do the types of things you did years before (unless your some kind of Jack Lalane freak of nature or something).

Yes, eating solid foods, I hope.

No. I’m going to surround myself with pottery.

I’m sure I’ll find stuff to do.

Death

Mwahahahaha!

You’re so funny.

You mean you eschew further educating yourself? You are disdainful of the thought?

That’s funny.

You think that’s how it is?

Tell that to all the cool folks I met in my pottery and art classes. All the friendships, the comraderie, the pranks we pulled on each other. The mentoring we did for each other.

We’d enter art shows together, support each other when we got in, when we got awards. We helped each other get into new galleries, to get new jobs. We’d have great parties at the art show openings. We’d collaborate on projects and help each other out on an aspect of our art that was giving us trouble. Art, music, all sorts of these activities are not necessarily “solitary,” (unless that is the individual’s choice). They are often a wonderful way to meet really cool people from a variety of backgrounds. Hell, even reading can be a group thing—many reading clubs and so forth can be great social events. And they are for anyone, of any age.

There’s a wonderful feeling of doing something that moves other people—they like it, they react to it, and it’s exciting. It’s gratifying to see that you’ve created something that others appreciate. I’ve seen people come alive with excitement after discovering that they can create art, or pottery, or music, or whatever. It gives them a new purpose.

The only problem is, all these things take discipline, some measure of intelligence, and a certain amount of hard work. (I suppose you’d consider that a major bummer? :wink: )

Oh well, go ahead and continue to consider it “mental masturbation,” if you like. I’ll just consider you hilarious for thinking that.

Tell that to my mom. She stays up until all hours.

And maybe that’s because you’ve “outgrown” it.

Oh, never mind—I won’t try to explain that to you! :wink:

Yeah. Bummer, man. Responsibilites. People who give a damn whether you live or die. That sucks. (Besides, there is no natural law that says a person has to be married and have kids at a certain age! That’s a completely optional thing.)

True enough. But all those years of experience, of knowledge acquired, skills developed, friendships forged over a creative passion that knows no age boundary—oh wait, that won’t apply to you, because you consider that “mental masturbation,” right? :wink:

Quite the ray of sunshine, aren’t we? :wink:

Make sure to buy it from someone who throws it on a potter’s wheel—don’t buy any of that slipcast shit.

Such a plan!

And you mock techchick and me, and make snide little remarks about our “100 cats,” as if our old age is going to be so pathetic? As if we will be objects of pity? As if the others here who have stated that their 40s, 50s, and beyond were actually pretty good—as if these people are deluding themselves?

I cannot fathom that we’d even a fraction as pathetic as you seem determined to be.

You write stuff like this:

Wow. 40 is just 10 years away for you. 35 is just 5 years away. Time’s running out for you, buddy.

And then—what? All the fun ends? You become this toothless nobody who will never enjoy anything again? Someone who will look back with great nostalgia upon their “real life,” and lament that it’s all gone gone gone? Someone who finally starts to wonder, “What am I gonna do now to fill up my days?”

Oh well, I’ve met folks like you before, and if you are determined to think this way, that’s fine. Just don’t assume to speak for the rest of us.

Actually, I think you are half-kidding about some of this stuff, or perhaps it’s some veiled appeal for pity, or something. It must be.

But oh well, if you are actually serious, all I can say is have fun while you are “young,” and then resign yourself to settle down to do…well, something. Folks like techchick and I and many others on this thread will be having a faaabulous time at art show openings, reading reviews for our latest art shows in the paper, getting feedback on our latest web offering, or enjoying learning something exciting and new. And we’ll have been doing this stuff for years, so we’ll be pretty good and experienced at it. Instead of starting to learn it at, say, 50, and feeling “too old” compared to everyone else. (Not that I think anyone is “too old,” but so many people regret not starting to learn certain things earlier. Especially when they realize that they could have started earlier, had they only been motivated to.)

And what will you be doing while the rest of us are finding joy in all our “mental masturbation”? Oh right. You’ll find “stuff to do.”

That’s not what I meant. If you read or take classes or make pottery whatever and it leads to more social contacts, that’s great. If you are just sitting alone in a room making 1000s upon 1000s of clay pots that no one will ever see like a crazy person, you might want to find an activity that gets you out of the house more.
I’m not sure what you point is anyway. That’s great that you have a hobby like pottery that is fairly non age-limited. If that’s what keeps you happy then good for you. If instead you were into mountain climbing or skiing, you might not welcome old age setting in.

I am not saying that at 40 people turn into invalids and spend their days watching their teeth fall out. What I am saying is that no matter what you do, there are certain benefits of youth that will disappear as you age.

What is the old saying? - “youth is wasted on the young”. It means that there is a cruel irony of life that as you gain the confidence and experience of age, you loose the physical ability to take advantage of it.

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That’s just not so. If you continue to exercise and eat right, you can stay fit and active well into middle age and beyond. Paul Petzoldt, founder of the National Outdoor Leadership School in Lander, WY, climbed the Grand Teron to celebrate his 76th birthday. John Glenn wnet back into space at the age of 77. Ed Corney, a famous bodybuilder, didn’t start competing (and winning) against much younger competitors until his 40s.

To be sure, you do have a point that one should take advantage of the freedom of one’s youth. That’s why I lived and worked in Yellowstone, the Tetons, Death Valley, and the Grand Canyon, incuding three years at the bottom of the canyon at Phantom Ranch, an overnight destination for muleriders and hikers. I would spoenmd my offtime rockclimbing and backpackiong because I had dertemined that I wanted to spend my youth out in the world experiencing things directly, instead of seeing the world through a tour bus window when I was old.

That’s why I traveled to 32 countries on three continents (will be four when I get to Egypt), so I could see ancient temples, immerse myself in local cultures, and live life to the fullest while I had the independence and time to do so.