We'll need a "Trump's Economy Wall" on the mall when this is over

Trump Economy Wall, huh?

Do we get New Mexico to pay for it?

Here’s the numbers everyone needs to keep in mind.

Covid 19 deaths by country:

  1. United States - 78,492
  2. United Kingdom - 31,241
  3. Italy - 30,201
  4. Spain - 26,299
  5. France - 26,230
  6. Brazil - 9,637
  7. Belgium - 8,521
  8. Germany - 7,468
  9. Iran - 6,541
  10. Netherlands - 5,359
  11. China - 4,633
  12. Canada - 4,567
  13. Turkey - 3,689
  14. Sweden - 3,175
  15. Mexico - 2,961
  16. India - 1,985
  17. Russia - 1,723
  18. Peru - 1,714
  19. Switzerland - 1,823
  20. Ecuador - 1,654

Out of the two hundred or so heads of state:
Donald Trump has not done the best job.
Donald Trump has not done a good job.
Donald Trump has not done an average job.
Donald Trump has not done a bad job.

Out of the two hundred or so heads of state:
Donald Trump has done the worst job.

And it’s by a strong margin. He’s done more than twice as bad as Boris Johnson, who’s in second place.

Donald Trump is the worst leader in the entire world.

This video points out that Trump hasn’t just done a terrible job in handling the medical crisis. He’s also done a terrible job in handling the economic crisis.

Why we’re seeing mass layoffs in the US but not the UK

Another set of numbers

Unemployment claims as share of labor force:

United States: 14.8%
Ireland: 11.4%
Canada: 9.8%
Iceland: 9.7%
Turkey: 9.0%
Norway: 4.8%
United Kingdom: 4.1%
Australia: 3.8%
Austria: 3.7%
Denmark: 3.1%
Sweden: 1.9%
Israel: 1.8%
New Zealand: 1.6%
Spain: 1.3%
Mexico: 0.6%

Source: The effect of COVID-19 and disease suppression policies on labor markets: A preliminary analysis of the data

Also: Coronavirus hits European economies but governments help shield workers

puddleglum, do you think it’s coincidence that after Trump downplayed the pandemic and did virtually nothing, and putting clowns and bootlickers in charge of our response, the US has the WORST COVID outbreak in the world?

I’m guessing the new right wing narrative is “But Belgium!” It’s joined the list alongside Benghazi and e-mails.

I’ll point out that Belgium apparently is trying to find out who has Covid 19 and who is dying of it. They’ve conducted 44,456 tests per million people. The American equivalent rate is 25,119. Which means that statistically, a lot more people are dying of Covid 19 in the United States without having ever been tested for it.

So Belgium’s higher rate of Covid 19 deaths per capita is a reflection that they’re more aware of why people are dying. The Covid 19 death rate per capita in the United States is less accurate because of less testing and probably doesn’t reflect the real rate.

Cite: Rate of coronavirus (COVID-19) tests performed in the most impacted countries worldwide as of May 8, 2020 (per million population)

I think it’s no coincidence that making America a sicker, weaker, poorer nation serves enemy interests. I think some minion calculated that further waves of carnage make a good excuse for emergency martial law, internment of dissidents, etc. COVID handed this POTUS a golden opportunity to destroy the US.

I doubt there’s this much planning going on in the Trump White House. I think the real reason Trump wants to end the lockdown is because he misses his rallies.

Forget the wall.

What we’ll need is a Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

It’s easy to think him that shallow; and with Fox psychos as his kitchen cabinet, he’s obviously untethered from certain realities. But he’s expended great effort to hide his financials because those will show that he is foreign-owned. And while no Deep Thinker himself, some of his minions seem slick, slimy, evil plotters. So don’t say it can’t happen.

Remove cancer first. Heal later. And rather than a wall, plant trees.

I have also managed to avoid causing global nuclear annihilation (so far). When are those noble prize winning journalists going to give me some credit?!

I thought the best response to that tweet was “Why not? Would she get mad at you?

A tabletop role playing game? I had no idea that boardgames could stop pandemics. I guess I should have remembered how Chutes and Ladders stopped the swine flu epidemic.

Where did you get the idea that a scenario where only a couple thousand people die of the coronavirus? It is highly contagious and deadly. It has killed people in just about every country where they keep track. The US is the hub of the international economy, it has millions of people flying in from other countries. As yet there is no effective treatment so we have no idea how bad it is going to get or the factors that will determine it.

So it is Trump’s fault US has 30 times the population of Belgium?

By this metric the best leader in the world is Pierre Nkurunziza, the eternal supreme guide of Burundi. I wonder if we could get a constitutional change, he would be interested in becoming US president? I am sure Biden could be persuaded to step down if such a good replacement was found.

The US does not have the worst outbreak in the world. We don’t know which country is the worst because China and Iran are not sharing correct information, each country is testing at different rates and most countries have not gathered the necessary data.

For the most part it is coincidence. The US has a higher population than any European country and is more integrated into the global economy than India and China. That is why the US has more victims than other countries.

Do you think it is coincidence that New York and New Jersey have democratic governors and have more deaths than every state with a republican governor combined, or is it as simple as vote for democrats and die?

No, it’s not a coincidence – NY and NJ very large states, population wise, and are centered around the biggest and most international city in the country, NYC. And of course the biggest and most international city in the country is going to be the first to see and feel the effects of an international pandemic (and therefore will have the most deaths at the beginning/early middle stages). And of course the biggest and most international city in the country is going to be lead by Democrats. Diverse city folk are the most fundamental part of the Democratic party base.

Also, De Blasio is a shitty mayor and made many dumb decisions that got people sick and probably dead.

So no, not a coincidence at all.

And your suggestion that it’s not a coincidence that demonstrably abysmal management is occurring at the same time as the highest deaths is just ludicrous. Apparently you’re not even able to consider the possibility that Trump’s flaws actually can affect the real world.

Obviously not, as there is no president of Belgium. :stuck_out_tongue:

I responded to this post two days before you made it.

The fact that you can say this:

Immediately followed by this:

Is either hilarious or disturbing in it’s doublethink. Who could imagine that incredibly densely populated areas would have higher disease transmissions than more rural areas? Besides you, as the above quote shows, obviously.

And who could imagine that the 3rd most-populated country in the world could have the highest number of coronavirus deaths?

And why is it that the second most densely-populated city in America has an absurdly low number of deaths? Could it be because Cuomo and DiBlasio actually made some really bad decisions?

All of the reasons that New York has had a worse outbreak than Alabama are the same as the reasons the US has had a worse outbreak than Iceland.

Cuomo is a a bad governor and has done a bad job with the outbreak and Trump is a bad president who has done a bad job with the outbreak. But in both cases the affect on the real world is small. If both had done everything the best experts had advised doing at precisely the time they advised doing it there would still have been an outbreak and New York and the US would both still be leading in death toll because of population size and connectedness to the global economy and possibly many other factors we don’t know about.

If you look around the world, many countries and many different leaders are having worse outcomes than the US. That shows that the problem is not unique to the US unlike Trump who is.