It took me no less than 10 tries to get out what you wrote there. But I think that’s probably a safe bet. Awful, awful name.
Inner Stickler may be right. My first thought was Jah-KAY-dree-ehn.
Course, I checked out library books to a *Onesie *today, so I’m not as shocked as I could be by horrible names. (and no, I didn’t ask how it was pronounced.)
I read it “Jack-adrien” but assumed it was pronounced “Juh-kay-dree-en.”
I have a cousin in Atlanta named Dakendra-Shonice VeryGermanLastName. I always picture her in kindergarten trying to squeeze all those goddamned letters onto a little “My name is” tag, poor kid.
ETA: Onesie!? And her brothers, Unitard and Footie-Pajamas? WTF is wrong with parents.
The Colombians would have to have had some reason to actually believe she was Colombian to accept her–not just the U.S. government’s word, especially if the U.S. government was identifying her as a person who actually is from Colombia and would have an ID record there. Colombia doesn’t have any special “work card” for its citizens–just a cedula, which is like a national ID card. If they actually believed she were this other person, they would have a record of that person’s cedula and a copy of that person’s picture and physical description to verify.
Now, apparently, the Colombians are holding her, even though the U.S. is asking to get her back. There must be something else going on here.
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According to other articles on this she’s pregnant. Given her pregnancy and that she was dropped off with no means of support I suspect she’s been trapped as a sex slave/prostitute and had little opportunity to learn the language. You don’t want someone like that to learn the language, they might ask someone for help.
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There is certainly a right to counsel if you’re arrested, which she was, which is what started this bizarre story.
I, like others, suspect this isn’t the whole story, but I guess stranger things have happened.
The default, as I understand it, is that everyone has a right to legal counsel. There’s some squabbling over whether or not “enemy combatants” can have it, but that’s pretty far from “random teenage girl picked up for shoplifting”.
You know, teenage kids do stupid things. That’s why the justice system has a separate branch for juveniles. The child was stupid to run away, stupid to shoplift, stupid to get caught, really stupid to give a false name, and then . . . it’s like she threw the stupid ball at ICE, and they caught it one-handed, no glove.
I can’t help but wonder what name she did give. My IRL name is fairly uncommon. My first name is extremely common, my middle name - what I go by socially - barely ranks in the top 1000, and my last name is an odd spelling variant of an uncommon but easily recognizable last name. I’ve googled myself out of curiosity. Going by my middle and last name, there are at least four other ‘me’ out there - a whistleblower in Alaska, a drunk driver in CO (bitch!), a woman in Amarillo, TX who got a nasty divorce 10+ years ago, and a lady in Kentucky who runs a daycare out of a church.
Whatever name this child gave, there were undoubtedly multiple women with that name. Of all the ones to attach to this child, they put the one who was up for deportation.
Did they even check the real woman’s age? Pretty sure she wouldn’t have been 14 years old.
Did they even look at the real woman’s picture? Pretty sure she wasn’t an identical stranger.
Did they ever sit down with this little girl (and believe me, I’ve taught 14 year old girls. Inside, they are still children, no matter how defiant they try to be) and explain “if you are who you say you are, you’re going to be deported”?
And I don’t care how stupid that little girl was. There’s “running away from your family and going on an adventure in Houston with a hot guy and some friends” and then there’s “being dropped off in a country you’ve never heard about, where you don’t speak the language, and there’s no adult to look after you.” There would have been alarm bells going off in her head.
The fact that she survived this long is a pretty good indication that she’s not very stupid.
ICE is going to take it in the ass over this one, as well they should.
I’m a little confused about the fact that she was tracked down through a Facebook page (unless I misread that somehow). If the girl was maintaining a Facebook page and wasn’t trying desperately to get home, I almost wonder if she’s done something illegal on purpose to keep the Colombian authorities from releasing her.
This whole story is odd almost beyond belief.
Yes when since the Nuremberg trials did ‘I was just following orders’ become a acceptable way to do the wrong thing again. Didn’t we learn this lesson already.
What the hell is wrong with you? What they did, in a vacuum, isn’t wrong. The problem was with not checking things out before acting but the acts themselves weren’t evil let alone rise to the level of Nazism. Phenomenally stupid and careless, but not evil.
Sorry, but deporting a 14- or 15-year-old child alone IS wrong, even if she had been an illegal immigrant from Columbia. It may be legal, it may even be the current practice at the ICE, but from a humanitarian perspective it’s wrong. Also inconsistent: we don’t treat juvenile criminals as adults, for good reason, except in exceptional circumstances. But here we treated her the same way we’d treat an adult. Sad.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m assuming the age of the person whose identity they’d pegged on her was over 18.
22 years old, in fact.
Okay. I concede that point, though the story as it’s being reported still beggars belief.
Unfortunately my belief is becoming increasingly difficult to beggar as time goes by.
She lied about her identity, so you are assuming information the authorities didn’t have. It isn’t like they could cut her in half and count the rings.
The authorities would have access to the original Colombian woman’s arrest file, including full frontal and profile mug shots and fingerprints from all ten fingers.
That and that alone should have prevented any mistaken identity.
It’s standard procedure to fingerprint anyone any time they enter the judicial system for the exact reason of preventing criminals from claiming false identities.
If there had been any doubt, they could have gone all forensic anthropologist on her and x-rayed one of her long bones. The epiphyseal plate doesn’t seal permanently until all growth has finished - late teens at the very earliest. Or, check her for wisdom teeth.
OR JUST LOOK AT THE GIRL’S DAMN FACE! Fifteen year old girls don’t look like twenty-two year old women. The length of the jaw and the proportions of jaw to cheekbones to forehead are completely different.
ICE and the police fucked this one up, JoelChurch, and you sound like you’d just as soon leave an American child in a foreign country because you’d rather not face that uncomfortable possibility.
Not really. I don’t know how it stands right now, but US Customs Officers used to have the right to refuse you entry with very little explanation and no recourse. Get off the plane or ship, get on line, get told “I don’t like your face” (my cousin was rejected coming back from a casino ship on grounds of ‘attractive single Hispanic female’; the officer in charge of Citibank operations for LAR on grounds of ‘comes into the country too often’), get put in a room with or without other people, with or without food, with or without a toilet, get put on a plane home.
Or look at Rushgeekgirl’s thread when Migue was picked up. He may have had the right to legal counsel, but between being shuffled around and people not making sure he understood what was going on, it didn’t do him a lot of good. I wouldn’t expect a 14yo girl to be much more able to get herself out of ICE’s tender care than he was.
Everything else you say makes sense, but this right here is stupid. People do not grow at the same rate. I know quite a few older people who still have the facial features of younger ones (called baby face) and I knew several that looked like full adults at 15.
Try this website, and I bet that, while you are usually mostly right, you’ll be pretty far off some of the time. (Unless you factor in that the site is mostly made up of people who think they look younger.)