Notice at the end he says “sorry Mr. Gorsky”. How many here get that reference?
In some versions, yes.
Interesting. I wasn’t aware of that. Do you have a link or can you give a synopsis? (Not that I don’t believe you. It just sounds interesting.)
Good Catch! I missed it on the first view! Nothing like propping up one urban legend with another!
It’s all dreary rubbish involving Templars (doesn’t it always come down to Templars?) and/or immortality serums, and besides, the Earl of Oxford was not only Elizabeth’s illegitimate son, but the father of her other illegitimate son, and if the “fact” that Oxford wrote Shakespeare’s plays were ever to come out, the very foundations of Western Civilization would totter, not to mention that the Academic Establishment knows the Real Truth, but they’re suppressing it at the behest of the Stratford-on-Avon Chamber of Commerce, and so on, and so on, and so on…
No, I’m not making any of that up.
Excuse me. My brain has to take a shower now.
Another Photo of Landers.
A lot more detail in that one!
But four decades exposed to the harsh lunar environment seems to have taken its toll. 
On a more serious note, here are a couple of images I put together comparing contemporary views of the Apollo 11 site with the new LRO image:
Strangely, these photos don’t look any more convincing than Hoagland’s images of bridges and domes on the moon.
How can you possibly think that? They show an object of exactly the right size and height, in exactly the right spot, in all of the Apollo landing sites imaged.
By contrast, Hoagland’s rubbish shows stray pixels and JPEG artifacts, sharpened to within an inch of their lives, edge enhanced and converted to false colour.
In any case, they’re not supposed to “convince” anyone of anything. There’s no doubt (at least in the mind of anyone with an IQ above room temperature) that the Apollo programme was real. It’s just indescribably neat to be able to see the hardware again.
Conspiracy theorists are amusing because they never realize the fundamental contradiction of their beliefs: that if so many people over such a long period of time have been able to keep (the fake moon landings, Shakespeare’s true identity, whatever) a secret, how is it that the sweaty guy with the mimeo’d manifestos stumbled upon the truth? And if he did really stumble across the truth, why doesn’t this vast conspiracy silence him?
There are some forms of enlightenment that you can only see from Mommy’s basement during adulthood. (If you can call it that!)
See? Seeeee? See how sneaky the conspiracy is? They won’t even let themselves get caught silencing someone.
Not the same with Shakespeare because it’s not really a conspiracy theory. Here you have an actor-producer when a lot of people are illiterate and there’s no law of copyright. Some of the earliest editions are pirated and there’s differences even in the official ones. So it’s not that impossible that a Shakespeare play could be like Kubrik film - sure he produced it and took the credit but he didn’t necessarily write the script.
Shakespeare’s poems, I don’t think there’s much to doubt that he wrote them but he could have produced plays for sponsors who didn’t want their name associated with something as low-life as the theatre, or at least tidied it up for them or handed some parts over to other writers. Most of the Great Master painters left the unimportant stuff to their students and there’s respectable support for at least his last play having a collaborator. Any educated gentleman was expected to bash out a few sonnets and madrigals and often in Latin so it wouldn’t be so strange if they fancied their hand at a play but it wouldn’t be respectable to admit it.
Hmmm, interesting. Are those impact craters immediately left of ‘Double crater’ new?
It doesn’t matter what evidence there is. It doesn’t matter how much evidence there ever will be.
To a conspiracy theorist, every fact is evidence of the conspiracy. Visual proof? Forgery. Testimony from witnesses? They got to them, too. Some other corroborating evidence dated from that time period? Planted.
It’s like these Obama birthers. It’s never going to end.
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The first picture is Apollo, the second is the new photo. So it seems what you have discovered is that the smaller craters are missing. AHA!
Or they’re just not visible at this resolution.
Or, more likely, with the sun in that relative location.
Yes it is.
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It’s “not impossible” that the plays of Shakespeare were “written” by a time traveler who copied them down from a set of Folgers paperbacks. Where’s the evidence? (Not to mention that The Lord Chamberlain’s Men [aka The King’s Men, etc.] did plenty of plays that were never credited to Shakespeare.)
No, he was one of several shareholders in a company that produced the plays.
Why? The nutcases who deny that he wrote his plays all deny that he wrote the sonnets, too.
Evidence?
There’s more than “respectable support”. We know that his last plays were collaborations, most often with John Fletcher, who took over for him when he retired.
An urban myth, actually. It wouldn’t be respectable to be a professional actor, but that’s not the same thing. Gorboduc, for example, was co-written by a high-ranking politician and a Earl.
Not to mention that Shakespeare was an “educated gentleman”.
There’s a difference: If Obama is succeeded by a Republican the “conspiracy” will be promptly forgotten. Questiong said Republican president’s birth records? Get real. The right party is back in power. :rolleyes:
Really? Now that NASA has taken a pic of the place they have been you decide they probably haven’t been there? When a friend shows you a picture they took on vacation do you reason they probably haven’t actually gone?