We've learned these last few days that the government is too big

All I’m saying is that I had a Jack in the Box Bacon Cheeseburger from a Jack in the Box in Oakland, California, and the bacon was cold.

We need to fire Jack. Because if he can’t oversee every bacon microwaving, then what the hell is he being paid for?

Just make sure we’re all on the same page here, what specific mistake(s) did he, personally, as the President, make that he needs to apologize for?

Its relevant as it goes to the OPs political credibility. Its been shown that what he’s ‘sure’ of is sometimes the exact opposite of reality. Self reflection is a good thing. We should encourage it, not discourage it.

Because ralph asked whether this type of memory failure was common in Washington. I was pointing out that it has a history common to both parties.

Kearsen was careful with his wording:

IOW, “Mistakes were made”. You could ask Reagan about admitting that.

Try changing the channel.

Not that I have any interest in spoonfeeding you further, but you can start here.

He’s admitted the mistake. He said it was a terrible thing, inexcusable, blah blah blah. What more do you want?

He’s already gotten the resignation of a senior official, and there’s a criminal investigation at the highest level. Again, what more do you want?

Frankly, there’s a huge appearance of partisan hypocrisy here from the right. If you can show that you applied similar standards of behavior to our last president when, for example, people under his command were torturing prisoners (which maybe I’m just a bleeding heart but is A LITTLE BIT WORSE THAN LOOKING EXTRA-HARD AT THEIR PAPERWORK), it’d go a long way toward eliminating that appearance.

A Republican President, duh.

The government is not too big. This was an isolated incident in which a few middle managers acted. Plus, I don’t really disagree with what they were doing. Therefore, the premise is wrong. The government’s size is fine

Well, it might not be fine, just that this situation isn’t a good indicator.

Anyway, based on the information released thus far that I know of, I can see some mopes in the regional office realizing they have to enforce a vague rule - that these organizations have to be less than 50% “political” to qualify for tax-exempt status - and they see a lot of new organizations being formed under the new rules and they sound kinda political with “tea party” names and whatnot, so why not send them the detailed questionnaires?

Unless this gets a lot more grim, I’m not really feeling the outrage, here.

If the President is serious about rooting out the problem, then he has someone to fire:

The IRS official in charge during the Tea Party targeting now runs the health care office. I wonder if that’s the same office that raided that HMO and stole 10 million medical records without a warrant? I also wonder if the President knows about that yet. Probably not.

How lucky for the Republicans. For purposes of that last sentence and this one, I don’t believe in luck.

Since you have a track record of believing utter nonsense when it supports your ideology, I think it best to ask for cites for anything you claim. So cite?

Cite for what?

The stolen medical records. I’d like to hear more about that.

Please inform the PResident if you know him personally.

The president knows more than either of us.

You linked me to a lawsuit. Has it been found in favor of the accusers?

If not, I’m still waiting for the cite, because you stated this as fact.

Well, you can choose to believe they acted properly if you choose, but even if it was technically legal, they seized 10 million peoples’ medical records. Class actions rarely end up decided in favor of the defendant.

Did they?

And you rarely are correct about a factual issue, but we have to evaluate ever case on its own merits.

What probably happened, by the way, is they took the dude’s papers and it included that info on one of his drives. But I’ll wait until the facts are in, something you might want to do. But I understand how you wanted to slip in a nice piece of non-information to sell your other argument.