I mean his real Dad… The progenitor of God. The physical zygotic donor. The bees of the birds? The worst gig in history IMHO. Jesus’ Dad is really a more tragic figure. All of humanity in that wad.
Are you actually trying to debate something?
Well, the doctrinal Virgin Birth is at stake, but that’s not my purpose. I just wonder who he might have been, Jesus’ genetic Dad. Nobody really poses questions about Jesus in a historic sense. I’m just trying to see the man outside of his myth. I wonder his Father’s circumstances.
Wouldn’t Jesus’ real Dad be the true “Grail”?
The Davinci code stops short.
You’re so right nobody would ever do such a thing.
Try looking at Craig A. Evans’ Life of Jesus Research: An Annotated Bibliography. It has over 2,000 entries on the subject of the historic Jesus.
Uhm, there is supposed to be no “physical Dad”.
People who believe in the Incarnation believe He didn’t have a “sperm donor”; people who don’t believe in the Incarnation have come up with theories ranking from a travelling salesman to aliens (the kind in UFOs, not the kind with a passport).
I’d more go with Joseph having sex with his delusional wife.
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Nobody really poses questions about Jesus in a historic sense, here.
(Some do, that’s not absolute. But a lot of questions here deal with Jesus piously.)
So you don’t subscribe to the alternative view of a delusional Joseph abstaining from sex with his not-yet-visibly-pregnant betrothed, then?
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Hey in that family there seems to be plenty of delusion going around.
She could have been lying to protect their honour, rather than delusional.
Everyone knows that the H stands for Haploid…
She may have been raped - not by Joseph, but by just about anybody else.
Hmmm…
So the entire basis of Christianity rests on the claim by Mary that she was a virgin?
Who else would know the truth but her?
Man, if I only had a time machine to bring Jesus, Joseph, and Mary on the Jerry Springer show.
“And Joseph…you are… NOT the father!!”
“Yeah! Whoop whoop! In your face Mary!”
Hey, if Anakin Skywalker can be conceived by nonsexual Midichlorian activity, why not Jesus?
Hmm… If only Christianity postulated the existence of a functionally omnipotent Creator able to will the entire universe into existence ex nihilo, and for whom “Let this virgin become pregnant with a male child!” was a trivial exercise. What an astonishing slip-up in the theology!
Well, we are told that Jesus was truely Human. Now as a Human he needed a full set of DNA.
If all his DNA came from Mary, then he would be a clone of Mary, woulkdn’t that pretty much guarantee that he was female. Yet we are told he is male. So somehow the DNA was different from Mary’s. God is not human as far as we know, and so does not have human DNA, God being the creator could create any sort of Human or non Human DNA, supposedly He created perfect DNA for Adam at one time. What DNA would God use for Jesus then? Well the lineage and purity of Mary is considered very important in the bible, so it seems likely that half the DNA was indead Maries as is the natural way, would it not make sense that the other half of the DNA is from God’s perfect created DNA as used to create Adam?
So Jesus could be the bilogicaly speaking son of Mary and Adam.
Or of Mary and Barnacle Bill The Sailor, and Mary was just afraid of being stoned to death for giving it up out of wedlock and so made a story and stuck to it.
There’s no need for delusion on either part. The Virgin Birth is probably a relatively late development in the Christian mythos. It doesn’t appear in Christian literature until the Gospel of Mattthew (c. 80 CE). It’s not in Mark, it’s not in the Pauline corpus and it’s not in GJohn (John also seems to believe that Jesus was born in Nazareth rather than Bethlehem). Assuming that the VB claim was ever made by Mary or existed at all during Jesus’ life is assuming too much.
Or a Roman soldier named Pantera or Pandira. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantera_(disambiguation)