My mother is from Ft. Worth and lives north of Dallas now. One thing that I notice when I visit every year is just how massive the DFW metro region is geographically speaking. It is actually physically larger than six states including Massachusetts and New Jersey. I learned to carefully ask what my mother is talking about when she asks me if I want to go somewhere “just down the road”. That rarely means anything less than a 45 minute one-way trip. Some of my other relatives live on the opposite side of the DFW area and it takes about 2 hours one-way to drive to their house even without any significant traffic.
That won’t be a daily problem if you manage to live, find schools and work in the same basic neighborhood but most people that live there don’t live their lives in one tiny subset of the area and regular long drives are the norm.
And far ain’ts. If you can’t say “Far Ain’ts” you may not be ready for Texas…
We lived there from 1982 - 1990. It’s insufferably hot in summer, grass without sprinklers just dies, the cheap recreational activities are shopping and going to the lake. Lots of lakes. Going almost anywhere is a 45 minute drive unless you can afford certain upscale onclaves that do have downtown areas. The area is huge - “Dallas” is just a small part of it. Think Lake Ray Hubbard on the east to White Settlement west of Fort Worth which is pretty much a continuous city or suburb.
If you have the option of Austin it’s a whole different world. Hill county, trees, college town and the culture that goes with it.
The traditional western desert starts just west of Fort Worth.
East Texas is nice to visit with rolling hills, trees, and seasons, but not a lot of work opportunities.
A lot of people are running down the Dallas Fort Worth Area.
It is not as bad as some of the posters make it out to be but the summer heat can be difficult to get used to.
One thing to remember is that there are multiple communities here, Dallas and Fort Worth are just the 2 biggest ones here and yes the metroplex is huge and a vehicle or 2 is an absolute necessity.
I have only visited New York but I found a lot of New York City Area (once you get out of the tourist areas to be somewhat run down and very expensive and noisy)
The Dallas/Fort Worth Area can be strange (I suppose any big city is like this). You can have really expensive well organized areas in one location and then other areas a few miles away that are more run down.
In my opinion I would try to stay on the Fort Worth side as the people there are generally more laid back than on the Dallas side.
Friends of ours moved from Boulder to Plano about a decade ago when he was transferred for work. Shortly afterwards, he was laid off (with generous severance, to be sure) and they moved back here. They like here much better. A couple of observations:
They (and we) are Jewish, involved in the Jewish community, but not strictly observant. There is a lot more kosher food available in that area than there is in the Denver metro area, but not nearly as much as in the larger Jewish population centers in the Northeast or in Los Angeles. Kosher restaurants and kosher meat may be more expensive in a part of the country where there’s less competition for customers.
There is no culture of walking. Our friends lived less than a mile from their kids’ school, and people thought they were insane to let the kids walk or bike to school. Everyone drives everywhere. You will obviously need to be within walking distance of an Orthodox shul for Shabbat and Chagim, so I assume those neighborhoods are at least somewhat walkable, but the burbs like Plano (where there are a lot of Jews, but maybe not the frum communities) are pedestrian-hostile in the extreme. New Yorkers are less obese than the national average because they walk in their normal lives to get from place to place. If you don’t want to get fat in Texas, you have to make separate time for exercise–time is money.
That being said, I have an old friend who’s been in Dallas for a couple of years. He was trained as a Conservative rabbi, but left the pulpit to become an educator, and has since become much more observant. I know he’s had good experiences dealing with the fish market at the local Whole Foods around kashrut, presumably because of the neighborhood he lives in.
Disclaimer: I am (mostly) blind, and haven’t been able to drive in 20 years. I would go nuts living in a place as spread out as (any part of) Texas. I love Boulder, and can walk or bus to almost anything I want to do here, but I’d live in a tiny apartment in New York in a heartbeat if I could afford it–there’s almost no more walkable city in the country (SF and Boston being a close 2 and 3 on my if-I-were-a-rich-man lists).
If you’re not moving there for job or family, I don’t think you should move to Dallas. There’s nothing really special about it. If you’re going to move somewhere, move somewhere interesting. If you’re set on Texas, Houston is much more diverse and Austin is much hipper. Dallas is a fine place to live if you just want a place to live, but I never found it especially appealing. There doesn’t seem to be much to do around there except shop and go to work. Dallas is very much a generic big city.
That has to be the best typo / Freudian slip I’ve ever made. Go, me!
And as someone who has lived in and around the Dallas area their whole life, I can definitely recommend it for plenty to do. Probably not anywhere near the same par as NYC, but lots. Not to mention, if you’re willing to go up to an hour away, you’ll find all sorts of quaint little, small town type stuff; like the seemingly endless festivals through the summer and into the fall, weird roadside attractions, hole-in-the-wall mom and pop shops and other oddities. So, yup. Much to do and see, with it being really cheap too.
You may be surprised to learn that catfish is not kosher. Only fish with scales can be kosher. Now not all fish with scales are kosher and the reasons why some are and some aren’t are complicated, but catfish is never kosher because no scales = not kosher.
(side note I always thought catfish was double nonkosher because its also a bottom feeder and scavengers usually aren’t kosher, but no one ever talks about that, just the scales thing)
I’ve traveled back and forth between New York and Texas quite a bit. And one thing I’ve found is that people in Texas (and the south in general) strike up conversations with strangers a lot more than New Yorkers do.
You’ll be surprised when you’re checking out your groceries at a supermarket and the cashier asks you if you’ve seen any good movies lately or whether you watched last night’s baseball game. And these questions won’t just be perfunctory - I’ve seen them turn into five minute conversations.
Which, if you’re a New Yorker who just wants to buy his groceries but is stuck next in line while people are having this conversation, can be annoying.
Back to the economic angle, the DFW area isn’t just cheaper than the Northeast in general by a long-shot, it is also booming economically by national and even world standards. That is creating intense growth in some of the outlying edges particularly north of Dallas like in places like Plano (a city in its own right) but the whole metropolitan region is doing quite well compared to most of the rest of the country. I was astounded when I took a very long walk from my mother’s subdivision this past April and saw nothing but intense housing construction, road and new school construction stretching further than I could walk in an afternoon that wasn’t there last year. In that immediate area, it is because Toyota USA headquarters is moving there from California for economic reasons but that is only one of many such examples. That would be a nightmare in some circumstances but the good thing is that the area is so huge that they still have plenty of land left and whatever type of housing you want from urban in one of the area’s city centers, fully suburban or even semi-rural on the outskirts for not that much money.
Even if you did move there for a job and lost it somehow, that is one of the prime places in the U.S. that can land you another good one quickly. Some of them do pay slightly less than the equivalent job in the NYC area but it almost always works out to a much higher standard of living even if you have to take a small paycut because the cost differential is so large. I have IT recruiters contacting me all the time just about offering me jobs in Dallas and Austin almost on the spot for more money than I am making in the Boston area. If I didn’t have kids that I can’t move, it would have jumped on one of those chances already.
This reminds me; I was listening to the Howard Stern show back in the mid 90s. Howard was talking about how he went to the grocery store and how they have these things called “scanners” now. He was going on about these things like he’d never seen one before.
I thought that was so odd. Here in Texas, scanners have been around forever. It left me wondering, either Howard doesn’t get out that much or New York was very late to adopt the scanner system into their grocery stores.