What are UFOs if they're NOT alien spacecraft?

UFOs will always exist, no matter how good we are at explainingn them. UFOs always exist in the so-called ‘Low Information Zone’; that is to say, UFOS never appear close enough to the observer for clear, detailed images of the phenomenon to be obtained. How can this be achieved?

The UFOs (or the entities which control them) must be capable of detecting every camera on the planet, and ensuring that they are far enough away from the camera to only appear as a fuzzy blob or a streak. This is blatantly absurd, and as afar as I am concerned this fact would eliminate any possibility that these things have any real existence (as opposed to mistaken identity).

It is wrong to call all these reports ‘fakes’, of course; certainly there are innumerable hoaxes, but a very large fraction of reports are honest mistakes and misidentifications, even though it takes some effort to discover the probable causes of those error.

Youtube and the like have shown people desperate for attention that other people will believe (and follow) anyone who says anything, no matter how little evidence they have. This has increased exponentially because the intertubes have shown them that idiots and deliberate ignoramuses are far greater in number then they ever secretly hoped. The amount of visual evidence (and belief) decreased for a while as cameras got better, but they are going up again now that AI makes visual evidence worth next to nothing. There are videos of baby dragons cavorting these days that would have been taken as solid evidence of their existence ten years ago.

Well, YT clips of UFOs/UAPs fall into three categories, and it takes work to distinguish between them. Unfortunately most UFOs on YouTube are CG fakes, and the best way to detect these hoaxes is to look at the context. Some fakes are posted by prolific CG artists, who sometimes post CG renders as proof of their technical and commercial skill. These artists can generally be distinguished by looking at other videos on their channel, where they are often quite open about their rendering skills and the tools they use.

Other clips show phenomena which are easily recognised, even if the witness did not recognise them at the time. Sky lanterns, parachute flares, drones, illuminated kites, children’s balloons, weather balloons, out-of-focus stars and planets, meteors, distant aircraft, and recently many, many reports of Starlink satellites. Not just the spectacular phenomenon of Starlink chains soon after launching; another phenomenon caused by Starlink constellations is the specular glinting that occurs when they catch the Sun while in their permanent orbit. Really, airline companies need to give their pilots special training to identify these sky-glints, which all occur in a very small segment of the sky.

Note as well the recent wave of ‘foreign drone’ reports from New Jersey and elsewhere; using flightradar tracking apps, it is possible to show that nearly all of these ‘foreign drones’ were actually commercial aircraft much further away than the observers thought. In one case the Customs and Border Protection people shot down a party balloon, thinking it was a drone;

one hopes they don’t use these lasers on misidentified commercial jets.

Humans can’t do what the phenomena does and has done. Not unless you accept the possibility of humans from adjacent timelines, say. Whatever causes this does seem to take cues from human expectations and stereotypes.

Because they want us to see them.

There will always be sighting of things unknown, therefore how can anything be “debunked” in your eyes? Do we have to check every single cat in the world to see if they can levitate before you can say, “I’m not going to consider that silly notion before you actually bring me a cat that can levitate. My time is more valuable than that.”?

They are either hiding or they are not. Please pick one.

I find it tough to believe that trained military observers and pilots have all gotten fooled. Yes, witnesses do fooled but not, I think, all of them, every time.

As far as “intelligently controlled craft” I don’t know what those exist. Not in a metal flying saucer sense. Except in human craft created to seem “alien”, for whatever reason.

Humans sometimes observe wildlife openly, other times covertly, sometimes do things like construct fake wildlife.

Here’s why I’m not a believer:

  • the vast majority of UFO sightings have been explained as natural
  • no alien craft have ever crashed (if their technology is so good, why do they allow us to see them?)
  • there are masses of reports of people being taken aboard alien craft … yet nobody thinks that’s evidence

Phenomena can get debunked when other, more logically consistent evidence can explain it as well as better. With UFOs, nobody has done that yet.

If thousands of reports of levitating cats existed, then you might have something. But obviously those reports don’t exist.

Such as? All the claims of this sort have been based on assumptions about things that can’t be known. Like, you can’t tell how fast a light in the sky is moving unless you know how far away it is, and you can’t tell how far away it is unless you already know what it is, which you don’t.

Then why not make it clearer?

Of course they haven’t all gotten fooled. Some haven’t seen any UFOs.

Well, if any aliens are trying to observe us openly, they are doing an incredibly piss-poor job of it.

Also, “trained military advisors and pilots” have been known to follow dust, bugs, smears on the windshield and reflections. What is the absolute best example you’ve got for us, @Cryptoterestrial?

I hope you don’t think that I mean “aliens” in an extraterrestrial sense, because I doubt that they come form space. (Go back and read my first post.) With that

I think that the cases of UFOs inducing (in some cases) fatal radiation sickness stand out as pretty persuasive. I don’t have a hard science-based appraisal of the phenomena though, so you’d best ask someone else.

As far as your “incredibly piss-poor job” of observing us openly, I don’t know what that means.

No, not every witness is fooled, every time. Just the ones who think they have seen an anomalous craft or other phenomenon. Whenever there is sufficiently good photographic or video evidence then these phenomena can be identified; only when the imagery is poor is there a mystery.

My question remains - how do the UFO operators know exactly how far away to travel to become a mystery? Do they have a record of the site and resolution power of every single camera on Earth?

They sure would! Link, please?

Cite? The most famous event of this kind I know about is the Cash-Landrum case, and that almost certainly wasn’t radiation sickness.

How about “crappy”, or “inept”, or “incompetent”, or “ineffective”, or “half-assed” etc.?

I disagree with you on the point. Thinking mainly of the video footage of anomalies like the famous “Tic-Tac”. Also, the best footage taken by the military may not have gotten released to the public.

General principles apply. If you throw water on an open wire, it’ll spark, yes?

Also, you seem to think that I advocate the concept that UFOs come from space. Go back and read my first post where I explain that I don’t think that they come from space.

What would the opposite look like?