Surprisingly, epilepsy is not the only condition that can cause misperceptions. Epilepsy is merely one example of a much larger set.
People currently study biology, geology, chemistry, neurology and many other subjects without atigma. In fact, the study of things living under conditions previously believed to prohibit life (heat, radiation, acidity, pressure) is very active and stigma-free. Darwin managedxto get by in spite of the fact that his conclusions were controversial with many powerful people.
Questions, no matter how wide the eyes or how tremulous the voice, are not evidence.
What has she actually found?
Better questions: Where is this “best evidence” you claimed to have almost a week ago, and do you understand what “falsifiable” means? Bonus question: What the heck are “falsifiable threes”?
Don’t forget fired pottery: if buried where it wouldn’t be eroded away it would last more or less forever. If dinosaurs had made pottery in any substantial amount, we’d know.
That’s a point that is widely overlooked by people speculating about ancient advanced civilizations: that before they could have been advanced, they would have had to first be semi-advanced. Or to put it another way, in the progression from australopithecine pebble tools to microliths prior to the Bronze Age, you’d expect a discontinuity, with a certain stage or stages of development being repeated in the archeological record.
I see that you are ignoring that I offered my experiences. But epilepsy was not a reason nor an explanation that I offered, the silliness was to imply that I was saying that epilepsy was the explanation, when I was not doing that, read it again. As others pointed out, you are relying on logical fallacies.
One of the best debunks (and there are many) is by Hambly and Blair (2024) who show that these anomalies are more common near the plate edges and are exactly consistent with flaws in the emulsion.
But why is Villaroel finding significant correlations among this mass of random data? Mostly because it is not distributed evenly, probably because the plates were exposed and manufactured at different times. Given a non-random distribution, all Villaroel and her colleagues have done is look at various events in order to find correlations; this is a form of statistical cherrypicking, handily demonstrated in this XKCD cartoon.
The book has been misrepresented here. The ‘very strong cases’ are very strong cases that no explanation is forthcoming. They are not very strong cases for additional scientific inquiry, quite the opposite, in fact. They are very strong cases that further investigation would be fruitless.
@eburacum45: great! you’ve addressed one of my truth claims (not mine as in originated with me) not on a factual level versus sneering at the very idea of it. I appreciate that.
this goes beyond misperceptions. people have had encounters lasting more than an hour with entities. conventional science has no explanation for that. at bare minimum, that sort of unexplained phenomenon.
cryptoterrestrials may have originated in the oceans and only ventured into the land pretty late in the game. CTs might also have bodies composed of plasma and may have bypassed (from our POV) obvious stages like metallurgy, etc.
I have asked you the best evidence disproving UFOs and you haven’t given it.
already have explained thatuntil recently I accepted Albert Budden’s theory as the best one and only considered other possibilities recently. apart from that, not too knowledgeable when it comes to the physical sciences.
I posited earlier that ufology had not yet had its Darwin. with that said, I can run down for you why I think the lack of knowledge and falsifiability.
serious study/interest only began in the last hundred years. a UFO crash apparently happened in Italy in 1933. discounting that, government interest began in 1947. (I don’t necessarily mean Roswell, either.)
theyit//the phenomena appear to want to deceive us. they may not do this on purpose, but it does appears so. they/it/the phenomena have Clarketech. combine that with the deceptive tendencies and you have a big problem figuring it/them out.
governments have kept info secret from each other, and from us. apart from that, possibly spreading disinformation.
fraudsters do exist. thinking of the so-called alien autopsy film, as an example.
public discourse has gotten polluted with bad ideas. if I had to guess, the public thinks of UFOs as either completely fake, ET spacemen visiting Earth in ships. either that or demons. all bad explanations.
Yeah, I already explained how “falseafiable” actually works, and I’m not going to do it again. It is your extraordinary claim, therefore you provide the extraordinary evidence.
I don’t think you got my point - people are studying everything required to investigate the existence of unknown lifeforms on Earth, without stigma. Darwin did have to deal with the problem that powerful people didn’t like his conclusions, but he was encouraged in his studies otherwise.
Today, people doing the kinds of studies required to investigate the existence of unknown lifeforms on Earth are given a lot of funding (while Darwin had to fund most of his research by himself). Darwin’s conclusion that evolution existed and could be explained by natural selection was opposed by powerful folks, but there’s no powerful lobby opposing the idea that there have been non-human civilizations (or are non-human civilizations)*. There’s just a request for explicit evidence that can not be explained more simply by known causes
A few decades ago, it was suggested that pulsars might be a sign of extraterrestrial life - and no one was exiled from the scientific community or experience persecution. More recently, Tabby’s star was considered as a potential extraterrestrial civilization site, with no one involved being stigmatized.
not the same thing at all. possible NHI from another star? intriguing, not that controversy. possible alien craft in our solar system (as per Avi Loeb)? more controversial and more marginal. NHI presence on Earth? most controversial, most edgy. it has to do with what the Overton Window will or will not allow at present.
(note that the above does not take away from my belief that UFOs don’t come from space. the same principle applies.)
apart from that, a organized group did appear interested in keeping UFOs scientifically not respectable. namely, the US (and other?) overnments.
I’d say it has to do with the amount of evidence - a real signal repeating regularly is repeatable and apparent to everyone, observations of an asteroid are likewise repeatable (but perhaps open to multiple explanations), while NHI presence on Earth has much less evidence, even though scientists have tried for decades (and failed) to show that apes and dolphins had language.
Quite the opposite - the US has used the idea of UFOs as a convenient cover for other activities. If people hadn’t come up with the idea themselves, the government might have had to invent it (but I don’t think they did).
@Andy_L: intelligence in apes and dolphins (don’t forget elephants and corvids!) also falls into the “more acceptable” end. as far as ET craft and signals, while the craft could potentially evade contact/examination, the signal couldn’t. with UFOs (which I don’t believe come from space, as I have said) they can evade/hide in real time.
as far as your last paragraph, I think that the US government do both. they both hide better evidence of UFOs and also, at times, using purported UFOs as cover.
