What are your thoughts about car non-keys?

It depends on the brand, but with most I’ve seen, you can still tap/press an external area of the car to lock it from the exterior, without having to touch the handle to see if it’s locked. You’ll also hear the locks activate.

This is certainly possible, though again, with most vehicles I’ve seen, it actively warns you when the key has left the interior of the vehicle while it’s still running. At least with mine, you’d have to outright ignore the chime and dash alerts (literally telling you the key isn’t in the cabin), to miss it.

I think transitioning from a keyed ignition takes some time, but you adapt and develop habits associated with keyless entry. I think with any new(ish) tech, people tend to try and find holes in functionality, but these have been accepted and are here to stay.

The car usually warns you well in advance. Even then, if the key fob is actually dead as dead can get, holding it up to the start button will typically allow you to start the car. On some vehicles, you can even charge the FOB.

Your car’s actual battery is more likely to die and leave you stranded.

Saves a few seconds, but also adds a good deal of convenience. Similar to my cell phone, it doesn’t take me a long time to key in a code, but scanning my finger saves me a few seconds and adds convenience.

In some cases, I’d agree. However, most cars built in the last decade+ don’t have basic keys, and instead have some type of RFID ignition system or better and/or remote-integrated setups. A few bucks at Home Depot won’t cover that, while anything from yesteryear that’s cheap and easy is also less secure (which you pick a bone with in a later point).

Not in my experiences. They have similar reliability to any other small electronic gizmo I own. I’ve seen as many physical keys bend, than FOBs break, just-because. One requires constant insertion and mechanical handling, while the other pretty much just sleeps in the bottom of my pocket or her purse, where we don’t interact with it much.

You’re leaving out another significant aspect of this, though-- thieves adapt and create a game of leapfrog with any type of security. As mentioned above, nothing is less secure than a cheap turn-key ignition. RFID keys leapfrogged thieves for a while, who then adapted and found ways around the systems, but I’d argue it’s not common enough to fear, or enough that I’d downgrade to an even less secure method.

At the end of the day, you’re best served by layers of security and can only deter a confident thief. If/when your security fails, you have insurance. Between those two points, the experience should be more convenient to the operator, which based on market reception, it is.

Anything to do with security against car theft depends on real and/or perceived risk. I don’t have comprehensive stats for car theft in my town, but the NYT reported a 96% decline in car theft in NYC, right next door, from 1990 to 2013. Also my car is in a robotic garage (which has some real issues Luddites could sink their teeth into…but for theft means you have to defeat two systems). Theft risk wouldn’t factor in significantly to me, and anyway the post to which you referred said it was easy for thieves to defeat keyless entry for ‘some makes’, I doubt it is for my car. The factor most often mentioned in making cars technically harder to steal, besides enforcement or social factors affecting crime, is immoblizer/chip keys. However I don’t think the previous poster established that the keyless systems are actually more vulnerable practically.

Good points, especially on social factors. Somewhat related, garage doors w/ remotes are relatively easy to bypass, but there isn’t some paranoia over their vulnerability. Or at least, I wouldn’t avoid buying a house I wanted, because of it.:stuck_out_tongue:

with Fords, there’s either a pocket inside the console bin, or in a tray on the console where you set the fob and an NFC coil reads the code.

Despite liking the keyless entry, i have had a similar “passenger got out, remaining driver no longer had key” story. Our car has a visible alert, but we did that once anyway. Fortunately, my husband just drove home after dropping me at the train station, and the other key was at home, so nothing bad happened. But if he’d tried to stop en route, and hadn’t noticed the large visible warning on the dash, he would have stranded himself.

Definitely a failure mode, but probably less common/problematic than the old “lock the keys in the car” failure mode, which has been eliminated.