What crimes are easier to get away with during a government shutdown?

Say a Lex Luthor or a James Bond movie villain kind of guy (generally your average GOP megadonor) is just biding their time until the government shutdown. They have vast resources and links with most of the bank presidents, Fortune 500 CEOs and boards of directors, and of course other criminals. Once the government shuts down, it will be easier to pull off _______.

Fill in the blank. What kind of mega-crimes are easier to pull off when the government is shut down? And, this isn’t really limited to arch villainy, pettier crimes are also fair game for consideration.

Will frackers get away with more pollution, for instance? Drug trafficking? Market manipulation? Insider trading perhaps? Or is all this merely an exercise in paranoia?

My guess would be the boring regulatory stuff. Law Enforcement Agencies are going to pick up ongoing investigations of suspected criminal activities and the IRS will go after tax evasions. But if you submit stuff like false inspection documents you might get away with it - the inspectors on boring stuff like that will be the first to be furloughed and when they get back on the job, they’ll be more motivated to check current reports than go back and look at the ones that piled up while they were off.

Need answers fast?

Heh, no, the biggest transgression I am ever likely to commit is smoking a joint, and that looks to be losing its illegality. No, it is just that these repeated shutdown attacks make me suspicious and feeling like I’m not seeing something, and by the time we catch on, the $787 billion will already be handed over to the banks or what-have-you.

Doesn’t shutting the government down seem like leaving the barn doors open?

The government doesn’t actually shut down, but your question is a good one when considered broadly: What does a shutdown really mean? What gets shut down and what runs on autopilot?

Well, our friend Bricker defined for us who gets paid and not during a shutdown inthis post. I’m sure the whole thing doesn’t grind to a stop- the IRS probably stays open to collect taxes to run the skeleton crew? Surely the President doesn’t get furloughed… What about public schools? Good question yourself.

:rolleyes:

Public schools are funded by state and local governments, so they wouldn’t be shut down.

Howabout the military academies though?

I don’t know. It is hard to imagine what kind of crime could be associated with shutting down the military academies though.

Anything specific in mind? This comment reminds me of the old MMS and the various ways BP (and probably most of the oil industry) dodged inspections and regulations in order to cut corners in their operations. If there are no regulators to ply with drugs and prostitutes in the first place, then the whole criminal process is one step easier?

But spectacular disasters are perhaps not the “boring stuff” you are referring to. Again, more specifics would be appreciated.

Roll your eyes if you want, but megadonors supporting today’s GOP appear to support an alternative, criminal method of setting national policy- namely through terroristic threats of shutting down the government and/or wrecking international faith in the US’s ability to pay its debts. If you can point out where in the constitution are the provisions for an oligarchy to resort to these techniques when the democratic process produces results that oligarchy doesn’t like, then I will have to admit the error of my suspicions and switch to cynicism instead. If you can explain how potentially wrecking the national economy in a last-ditch effort to prevent 30 million poor American citizens from being able to visit a doctor is not itself a Lex Luthor-level crime, then I will have to retract everything I’ve said in this thread.

But if you cannot, why should I not also suspect some other arch villainy to follow on the heels of the hobbling of the national authorities?

Or is my artistic allusion to comic-book villains just too big a distraction? If that’s the case, sorry, I could try to re-frame things if it will help.

Seriously, does GOP behavior not seem to fit the definition of extortion? :

bolding mine.

Megadonors make GOP congresscritters possible- it ain’t a majority of the popular vote, after all. GOP congresscritters are behaving in an organized crime kind of way. That makes GOP megadonors big-time organized crime bosses.

Since we’re talking about criminality at the level of a $16 trillion dollar economy, I think resorting to comic book villains to help people wrap their heads around the scale of wrongdoing is appropriate.

Why should we not expect that the government shutdown and possible destruction of US creditworthiness is being done to lay the groundwork for even greater crimes?

Maybe the evil GOPer will take over a large city…lets say…Detroit…and divert all the cities funds into the pockets of their evil co-conspirators. And drive it into bankruptcy. There is no end to their greed!!

Agreed. Most of the crimes in question are the sort of obscure white-collar shenanigans that rely on sneaking some paperwork past the relevant federal agency or avoiding an inspection.

Per the NY Times, some of employees who don’t go to work during a shutdown include:
Pesticide Regulators (EPA)
Winery Permit Processors (Treasury)
Food Inspectors (HHS)
Auto Recall Inspectors (Transportation)

Wow!
It seems to me that food inspection is rather important.
What if a significant e. coli outbreak occurs that kills people?
Or, are there other industry safeguards in place to keep this from happening?

Other than the most probable inspection that happens, (by the cooks or owners) because at restaurants you want return business and an outbreak of e-coli at their place of business effectively dooms that business.

People don’t appreciate the benefits of large die-offs in the population. Think of all those people who might grow old and become burdens on society. :rolleyes:

If it actually happens, it may be an interesting natural experiment to exploit on the effectiveness of government. I look forward to reading academic papers!
ETA: By it, I mean the shutdown, not mass deaths of people from E.Coli breakouts. Those might just make for conclusive results of course.

Oh, c’mon, the Koch Brothers ain’t that cool!

Non-federal. Not directly affected.

If the shutdown leads to that, then, within three hours of the story breaking, Alex Jones and WND will be calling it an Obama false-flag operation.

Hmm, 11 posts in and we’re resorting to threadshitting? Confronted with the indisputable point that the GOP is resorting to criminal extortion, and the GOP apologists immediately reach for the false equivalency to change the subject. Do you have any idea how redundant that move is?

Anyway, going back to my comic book motif, the equivalency clearly fails. You’re bringing up an example along the lines of The Joker- a bad villain to be sure, but he kept his mayhem strictly limited to the municipal level i.e. Gotham City.

This shutdown business is on a whole other level. I think we need a new story to keep up with the times. Lex Luthor is, after all, a relic from another time.

–The Story of Dr. No and his minion, Demagog–

The Southern Avenger* was, at first, an ordinary coarse-mannered racist from Kentucky. One day he was casually strolling barefoot through his own excrement at an outdoor latrine deep in Kentucky when he was bitten by a radioactive ringworm, irradiated by regurgitated fracking fluid. In the moment he thought nothing of it, but as the day wore on he became increasingly ill, until by evening he was almost mad with fever. Being without health insurance and unable to afford a doctor’s visit, he holed up at home to ride the thing out, his only treatment being some leftover Paula Deen recipes.

The fever built and built, and the Southern Avenger went truly mad with sickness. For two full days and nights he sweated and hallucinated, but finally it broke. As the Southern Avenger regained his consciousness and his senses, it dawned on him that he was forever changed. He was endowed with extraordinary strength and stamina, and strange new powers. He was no longer his old self- he had been transformed into Demagog. Reflecting on the turn of events, he immediately adopted the slogan, “Toxic sludge is good for you!”

Beware Demagog’s Credulity Beam! His strangest and most awful new power was the ability to effortlessly persuade people to believe anything whatsoever, no matter how nonsensical, by applying his Credulity Beam. At first he did not realize what it was or how to control it, and within a day half the population of the South as well as significant numbers in the Midwest firmly believed that the Earth was 6000 years old. One night, after blacking out during a drinking binge, he left the Credulity Beam active, and by morning, doctors coast to coast were promoting routine infant circumcision without any medical justification whatsoever.

Demagog grew despondent. His initial excitement wore off as he realized he did not know what to do with his new power. But his transformation had not gone unnoticed. Super villain Dr. No, who had been systematically persuading House and Senate Republicans to his radical negatory philosophy via his keenly honed powers of mentalism, had noticed the changes wrought by this raw, new talent. He tracked down Demagog and sought to persuade him to join forces- they would be unstoppable! Demagog at first did not trust Dr. No and tried to use his Credulity Beam on him. However, Dr. No’s keenly honed powers of mentalism, along with his firmly rooted belief in his own bullshit, rendered him, with some effort, immune to its effects.

Demagog was impressed and grew to respect Dr. No’s experience and maturity. He accepted Dr. No’s tutelage and the offer to join forces. In time Dr. No would reveal his master plan: the biggest heist in human history, the plundering of the vaults protecting the wealth to pay the nation’s Social Security and Medicare benefits. It totaled in the trillions! Together, and with ample financial backing from GPS Crossroads, the crime duo set about implementing their dastardly scheme…

Allright, enough with the Ayn Rand-style narrative technique geared to appeal to the sensibilities of Fox-crazed Southern voters and their 8th grade education levels and their cartoonish conception of the issues. The kind of crime I’m getting at here has to do with the $1.73 trillion US corporations are idly sitting on. Accounting for inflation, all that cash is simply losing value. However, the world being what it is, losing value slowly to low inflation may be a better bet than taking the risk of bigger losses on risky investments. Only US treasuries are really a sure-thing, only the yield is currently so low that they are hardly worth the trouble.

Well, Government Shutdown to the rescue! Shutting down the government has already caused treasuries to rise. Riding this thing out until the US credit rating is further damaged, or until the country defaults altogether, is sure to further this trend. Keep in mind that every point increase in Treasury yield rates would cost taxpayers $150 billion per year. Going all the way to default is sure to jack up the rate significantly. If you have ~$2 trillion you don’t know what to do with, well suddenly there is a sure-thing investment that looks really attractive. You can effectively extract hundreds of billions of dollars every year from the American taxpayers and put it in your pocket! Eventually it can be paid for by gutting Social Security and Medicare, and it will all be worth it. Who cares if this is the opposite of solving the US’s “spending problem”, or if it balloons the deficit and the national debt, those perennial bugbears of the right. The beauty of it all is, while you rip off the whole country, those credulous, impenetrable, fucking stupid Southern voters will root you on the whole time since they are so credulous and easily led into voting against their own interests and for radical GOP candidates. I guess they think extortion and what amounts to colossal embezzlement is what Jesus would do, or something… maybe one of those vapid proles can attempt to articulate that line of thinking to us, though by now I seriously doubt it.

Now, that’s a racket :rolleyes:
*The Southern Avenger is a real guy, and Rand Paul’s former Social Media Advisor -Ed.