What do dreams mean?

I don’t believe dreams are prophetic in any way. Actually, I’m not sure what dreams even are - I guess this could even be a part of a Great Debate.

But I had an unusual dream this morning:

I have a dentist’s appointment tomorrow, and I dreamt about that. Only it wasn’t fear of the drill, or the pain, or even the ridiculous money that motivated this dream. I was actually really happy! It was pleasant, the Dentist is a nice guy, we even laughed about things. And even though it was a root canal, I was just lying back and letting them work on me like it was the simplest thing in the world.

Do you think it meant anything, or was it just a dream as any dream is: Images and events put together in a kind of story?

I can believe that emotions play a part on the events as they play out in a dream - especially during stressful times, or fever dreams.

But even then, I’m not certain they play any part at all - it’s just a logical leap.

What say you?

My feeling is that dreams are a “clearing house” of your anticipations, hopes, fears, blah blah blah.

I don’t believe that they have any predictive value at all.

And I don’t believe that there is any symbolism involved. And even if there was, those “dream books” are useless,

An example is the dream about snakes. Some people are fearful of snakes, and some, like me, like them. But apparently, snakes are a phallic symbol, according to the books I’ve read.

I’ve never had a dream about snakes, but then, I’m a guy who has no interest in phallic symbols.

I asked my female friends (when I was interested in that sort of thing) if they had dreams about snakes.

None of them did.

Which proves exactly nothing,

I guess what I’m trying to say is that looking to dreams is a poor substitute for logic.

I think the best evidence that dreams don’t carry any “meaning” beyond what we assign them intellectually and emotionally is the fact that nonhuman animals do it. (There’s even very recent evidence that rats dream about the mazes they’re taught to run.) If we assume that dreams have meaning, we also have to assume that all creatures who do it are at least semi-capable of deriving that meaning. (I would hesitate to entertain the notion that dreams have “meaning” for humans but not for other animals that dream. Seems like special pleading.)

Sleep has long been considered by neuroscientists to be the period during which the brain sorts, assembles and orders the information it has collected throughout the day. Dreaming, I guess, is either a function of that process or an artifact of it. That is, it either serves a genuine purpose in the information-processing period, or is the result of random neuron activity during that period.

Dreams are reflections of your life and what you think about. They are occasionally useful in that they can tell you your true feelings about something if you are conflicted about something. For example, I once heard a dream that meant a girl I knew was having second thoughts about marrying her fiance. By knowing what the dream meant she was able to confront her feeling about the marriage.

I think dreams mean one of three things.

A. A dream is a wish your heart makes.
(Walt and Jimminy said it, but it’s still true.)
OR

B. A dream is your mind going over things that have happened to you recently or not so recently. Things you’re still thinking about, maybe on an unconscious level. It can also just be hopes and fears.
OR

C. A dream is your mind playing with itself. Literally.

Just my 1/50 of a dollarUS.
Now stop that before you go blind!

A really good book to read would be Freud’s Interpretaion of Dreams. He had some interesting ideas, that I happen to agree with.

Boy, have you guys never been in my head at night!

And man, I feel bad for those who are not getting anything more out of dreaming than ‘sorting daily experience’.

First, most dream books are indeed useless. Individual symbolism varies widely, and any ‘real’ dream analyst will tell you the same thing. People in the same culture may have overlaps in their symbolism, but the actual individual spin is yours alone. A good dream interpretation book should say that. You can’t cut and paste their symbols into your head, and sometimes a snake is just a snake.

Second, most dreams for most people are just as you all said – processing, filtering, sorting your life, experiences, and thoughts. But there are also more active processes, too – mostly related to continuing to explore things you are already exploring during the day, but sometimes to the obvious extreme (as with the engagement issue). You might explore an anticipated experience (such as the good trip to the dentist), or a crisis, or a question that has been bugging you, or a situation that has been bothering you. You can explore your emotions (anxiety dreams, nightmares, and fantasy dreams). And I’m positive that some of my dreams are just for kicks (I have great adventure dreams sometimes).

As for non-human animals dreaming, hello! Animals process emotion, have memory, change their behavior based on their expectations, and so forth. They are extracting meaning, even if on a rudimentary scale. Just because they can prove that rats dream about their mazes, doesn’t mean they don’t dream about anything else. It also says nothing for them having meaningful dreams or not.

So, let’s talk about MEANING. My dreams are regularly stuffed with it. And obviously, too, so I don’t miss the point. Say, when I was young and insecure, and was dating interracially partly because I didn’t want to be like everyone else. I wasn’t aware of my own motivations, but I got the following dream: Bunches of people all walking around with gorgeous gray horses. ONLY that color. I loved gray horses more than any other color, but I decide I am not going to be just like everyone else, so I pick out ‘a horse of a different color’ – a bay. Wake up, feel mortified, take stock, realize I do like the guy, but I should stop getting a kick out of dating him ‘because he’s different’ and focus on who he is instead. Meaningful, very useful, and often full of bad puns (my subconscious loves puns). Say, I’d dream about terriers when I was processing info about someone named Terry. Or dream about copper wire hanging in mid-air when my biggest problem was that I was not being ‘grounded’ (you know, copper wire, electricity?). Waters of the subconscious? Got ‘em! (rivers, lakes, stream, and oceans-full) If I let my life wander without direction, I dream I’m in my car, but in the passenger seat, car in motion, but nobody’s in the driver’s seat. If I’m working on some serious issue from my past, there’s construction in my back yard (and often repairing damage to the house foundation - details of those dreams regularly give me clues where to ‘dig’). If I miss the point of a conversation, all the lights in an empty house will go on in a dream (‘lights are on but nobody’s home’).

Much of this is just daily processing, but by looking at the symbols slung about everywhere, I can see what I’m processing below my conscious awareness, and that gives me more info to work with when I’m awake. I’ve saved friendships because of what I’ve found in my dreams, I’ve made leaps of understanding (about myself and other people and even school subjects), and I’ve changed my own attitudes. And I’ve saved tons on therapy, too. Not too shabby for just ‘meaningless’ processing. Intuitive processing (which is largely what I get ‘back’ from the dreams) is potent, fast, and often accurate, so why not use it? The puns make it hard for me to think that this isn’t intentionally meaningful stuff. Sure, you can get meaning out of a lot of things that weren’t intended to mean that (like some literature), but come on, some stuff is too damn obvious to NOT be intentional.

And I get precognitive dreams, too (I’ve even told people about the dream and had us BOTH experience the otherwise completely unexpected event later) – but they are generally about pointless stuff. I’ve never had any useful precognition. But I have had useful precognition help me - a friend (who lived hours away from me) dreamed that my son (while I was pregnant with him) was hungry, and wanted me to eat more protein. Three weeks later, my BP started to rise. My midwives checked my diet, and sure enough, even though I had actually increased my protein intake, I was still not eating enough protien. Once I ate enough of it, my BP stabilized. Useful. Oh, and she was right on his gender and eye color, too.

If you don’t get any value from their dreams other than entertainment, it seems like a waste of a valuable resource. But, then, maybe you all just don’t need as much help from your subconscious’ as I do…

Well Guanoland what does the dream mean to you?

Another great book to read is Man and his Symbols by Jung and some others.

The subconcious speaks to us symbolically. So your trip to the dentist in your dream could be symbolic of something else in your life. So sort of problem that you have or should deal with that was or will be a pleasant expierence.
The upcoming dentist trip may have provided your subconcious with the symbol to speak to the concious part of your mind.
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Add me to the camp of people who believe dreams to be essentially meaningless, somewhat random brain activity.

Occasionally for me, a dream will appear to have meaning. But much like a so-called psychic reading, it just tells me what I already know.

It’s fairly logical to assume that, what with the brain being the seat of all thought and emotion, that such emotion and all those things you think about should also involve themselves in a dream sometimes.

In this case, I think my dream relates to two things. One is, that my previous visit to the dentist was painless (mostly) which in my experience has never occurred before. My dentists have always been horrible up till meeting this guy. And the second thing is I think I really like the Dental Nurse. :slight_smile:

a) I wonder…could Jung’s architypes be merely nothing more than the equivalent of those interpretive dream books trying to interpret dream symbols? I agree that the symbology in dreams is very personal. There is no unievrsal, one-size-fits-all meaning behind what we see in our dreams. Thus, I don’t trust those books at all. And, while I find Jung fascinating (esp. synchronicities), I cannot agree with his use of architypes as a way to interpret dreams. (IIRC from a psychology class, it seemed that Tarot cards got their origin from Jung’s architypes…and I don’t believe in Tarot, either.)

b) That said, I can say I have had many precognitive dreams in my life. They have come true, sometimes word for word. They come periodically. Not every dream is prophetic, and I can almost feel whch ones will be - at least some of the time. Some are crystal clear in meaning without any need for interpretation. Others are less clear, and still the meaning hits me like a ton of bricks when (typically) something small occurs in real life to unveil (or trigger) the full meaning - often just prior to - or at the same time as - the “main event” (i.e.: the crux of the dream) itself. Yeah, sometimes the lesson comes a little too late! i.e.: I say “Dang! So that’s what that dream meant!”

Also, I believe deja vu is just a more mild case of a dream coming true (often a snippet of a dream) only we’ve forgotten the original dream, itself. I believe this is true because I’ve felt various degrees of deja vu on a scale ranging from “oh, that’s vaguely familiar from a dream” to “Holy Smokes! BINGO!”

Sweet dreams, y’all!

  • Jinx

I had the strangest dream last night… A ratty old zoot suit jacket came flying out of the closet at me… And I heard someone yelling…

Who revived the old threads?? Who revived the old threads??

At last! A question in this thread with a factual answer.

Jinx. :wink:

They’ll stone you when you start a thread from scratch,
They’ll stone you when you don’t do a search,
They’ll stone you when you search out an old thread,
Still I would not feel all alone,
Knowing there’s a thread for me in the archives home!

Well, it ain’t exactly poetry, but what the hay!

  • Jinx

hedra,

Sorry to say I disagree with you - there is no meaning to be extracted from dreams (as many others have said). I would like to add that I do in fact get a great deal out of dreaming. I am a pretty experienced oneiraut…a “dream explorer”/“dream enthusiast”. I’m quite adept at lucid dreaming and look forward ot this experience every night. But I still put little to no value in dream interpretation. Our nightly dream adventures are just thoughts and feelings of the day thrashed together in odd ways. You will not get anything out of a dream that you do not already know. Lucid dreaming makes this fact incredibly clear. When I achieve high-level lucidity the entire dream world just sort of pauses, sitting their like a computer prompt, awaiting my input. The only way anything will continue to happen is if I supply the dream world with “data”, in the form of thoughts/images/ideas. When non-lucid, this steady supply of data is simply piped in from your memory; and if you are an active thinking person, this memory will likely be full of bits and pieces and remains of the day :slight_smile:

All told, the dream world is unable to generate any new information. I am willing to entertain the idea that dreams may combine old information in ways that can turn out interesting.

As others have partially said, I believe that dreams can mean anything you want them to mean - you can look for symbolic meaning all you want. It is our conscious mind putting meaning into the dreams and finding the symbols. Dreams can be used as a tool to understanding yourself, if you ask the right questions. Yes, they are just a jumble of what you have experienced, thought, worried about etc, so there is no ‘real’ truth hidden in dreams, which seems to be how many people view dreams.

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