It’s Democratic, not Democrat, when used as an adjective, by the way. Generally, only Republicans use the “Democrat party” phrasing because they know it bothers so many Democratic supporters.
France, UK, Canada, and Australia, were always content with allowing their middle east foreign policy be shaped by, and flow through, the US and its on-the-ground relationships with Israel and neighbouring countries.
This abrupt break by FUKCA is one huge indicator that US “soft power” in politics is dying.
The US has economically attacked its allies and relinquished any control over a middle east peace process directly to Bibi; so now FUKCA are enacting their own middle east foreign policy. New Zealand will probably follow suit too.
It’s Democratic leadership not Democrat leadership. I typically hear Republicans refer to Democrats as “Democrat.” An individual can be a Democrat but when referring to the party as a whole it’s Democratic or Democrats.
They weren’t even capable of getting elected during the last election. Baby steps.
There are a lot of people who have a lot of reasons for why Trump won in the last election. I do not believe Palestine was what kept a significant number of people from going to the polls and voting Harris.
And I don’t believe your plan for the Democrats to campaign on the issue of Palestine is going to contribute to a Democratic victory in the mid-terms. It’s just not the primary concern of most Americans.
…since we are talking about language here, do you think what is happening in Gaza is a genocide?
And what do you consider to be more important: getting the name of the Democratic Party right, or ending the genocide in Gaza? Because two people have picked me up on my wording here, and I apologise for offending anyone, but I’m seeing a much more pointed response over this than for what the Palestinians are going through right now. I just don’t get it. Can you clarify that for me?
As per the OP: what would it take to get people like you genuinely upsets about what’s happening, to the point you would speak out about it? What do Palestinians in Gaza have to do to win you over, or is that simply not possible?
Then they aren’t capable of doing the job.
My plan isn’t to “campaign on this” specifically.
It’s just the right thing to do. That’s what people vote for, right? Politicians that say and do things that people agree with? And while I argued that the Democrats are the “lesser evil”, the people that vote for the Democrats are not. They are mostly good people. And the polling around Gaza reflects that.
What’s the point in listening to the focus groups, the pundits, the consultants, that will inevitably lead them to make the very same mistakes they made the last time? Its the donors that are guiding the Democrats. Its a party that is desperate to fill the gap left by old school Republicans, which means leaving many people behind.
The Dems can commit to ending the genocide. And they can ALSO do many other things. The Dems are perfectly capable of doing multiple things. Trans rights are on the table. Abortion. Immigration. I’m not advocating doing just one thing. It’s that this thread is about Palestinians in Gaza. And I think the Democrats OWE the people in Gaza for letting it get to this point.
And seriously: what on earth have they got to lose? The mid-terms will probably not be “free and fair” elections. You are well past that point. Just do what’s right.
I’m not even arguing it’s the primary concern of most Americans. But the people who vote for the Democrats most definitely hold an opinion, and the party leadership are ignoring them. There is an arrogance on display here. That they don’t have to listen to the people. And it isn’t “not supporting Gaza” that will hit them in the mid-terms, but that arrogance. The refusal to endorse Mamdani. The likely caving on trans rights. The lack of a plan around things like abortion. Not doing anything about voter suppression. It all adds up.
So going back to the OP: do you think the answer is “nothing?” There is absolutely nothing the Palestinians can do to get the support and sympathy of the DNC?
Because America are really the only country in the world that will be able to stop Israel’s genocidal rampage. And if the Republicans aren’t going to stop them and if the Democrats aren’t going to stop them, then when this ends it ends with the destruction of the Palestinian people. And the Democrats will forever be complicit in that genocide. I couldn’t imagine a worse legacy for a political party. Lost twice to Donald Trump. And was complicit with the genocide of the Palestinian people.
It’s not really about Gaza. So long as I’m worried about an authoritarian government in my own country starting its own pogrom, the Palestinians are going to get little more than thoughts and prayers from me. They are not a priority for me.
Stop failing their paper bag exam.
…this thread is literally about Gaza.
They do have a plan. To keep the status quo. You might disagree with it, you might think this is a mistake, but you don’t speak for all of us. Every single thing done to help Palestinians hurts Israel, because their end goal is and always has been to eradicate them. Some of us see what is happening in Gaza as something the Palestinians chose, continue to chose and will choose again the moment things calm down.
I’m aware of what the thread is about but that’s not what you asked me. You wanted to know what they could do to get my support, and so long as I’m dealing with a fascist takeover in my own backyard the answer is nothing.
…so just thoughts and prayers for the Palestinians. Gotcha.
Is that what you see? Did you see the consensus that Israel are committing genocide in Gaza? Do you agree with that consensus? And if you do, then do you believe that the Palestinians have chosen to be genocided?
Well either them or Israel. They just happened to be the losers in this genocidal pact THEY chose. There is not going to be a happy ending here, if you got everything you wanted we’d be right back at this stage within the same decade.
This has likely been said in the thread already but the Democrats care far more about Israel than Palestinians. Israel has had virtually unilateral support from the US political establishment for decades and you’re seeing the insanity and horror of it now. There’s basically nothing Israel can plausibly do that at this point would get them more than a finger wag from the neoliberal US political establishment and the typical “But Hamas is evil” talking point.
…so is that also a yes they deserve to be genocided?
How about the children? The babies? Them as well?
What about the famine? Hundreds dead already. That should just continue? It’s not as if it would be hard getting food into Gaza. The food is just right there.
Where did I say deserved?
…so its a no, then. Gotcha.
Do you believe the babies chose to be genocided? Do you think they should be given a chance to live or what exactly?
I don’t think Palestinian babies should get to live over Israeli babies. You don’t seem to want to accept that is the choice.
…I don’t think there needs to be a choice. Both Palestinian and Israeli babies deserve to live. Damn right, I don’t accept that this should be a choice.
“Deserve” and “should” are not even part of the equation. One side is going to win, one side is going to lose. NOTHING we do is going to change that. I categorically refuse the idea that we need to pick a side based entirely on who is currently winning or losing.
…but it isn’t about “winning” or “losing.”
Its about genocide.
And Israel is, by a large consensus of genocide scholars and humanitarian agencies, is committing genocide in Gaza.
This isn’t about what might happen in the future. Its about what is happening now. We have a genocide convention that is supposed to prevent stuff like this. Because it’s a crime against humanity. Its an atrocity. Warcrimes. And we are supposed to be opposed to things like that.“Never again” means never again for anyone.
Fortunately, it seems the majority of Democrats agree with me. That this is a genocde and that it needs to be stopped.
Not the ones that matter apparently.
Stopping one genocide is simply helping another one begin.