What Do Radical Right Wingers Hate Jews?

[Jackmannii]

@Diogenes the Cynic

(Marx) was Jewish and anti-semitic? Good trick.

Others have managed to pull it off.

[Diogenes_the_Cynic]

@New Iskander

By and large, I agree with your cite context. But Marx also penned this:

“*Money is the jealous God of Israel, besides which no other god may exist… * (Few sentences on how bad Money is) … The god of the Jews has been secularized and has become the god of this world.”

That’s a bit too sweeping to my taste. Of course we know that Karl was given to making rather sweeping statements on many subjects.

Also, he used disgusting stereotypes against his political adversaries:

“…Manetho narrates of the expulsion of the “leprous people” from Egypt. At the head of these people was an Egyptian priest, Moses. Lazarus, the leper, is therefore the archetype of the Jew, and Lasalle is the typical leper.”

I trust you are familiar with Manetho work?

I would have to read the context of the “leper” quote in order to give a sensible response about it, but could it be that Marx was using “leper” to designate a class of people who were marginalized and scapegoated by the larger society?

I know that Manetho was an ancient Egyptian priest and historian to whom Josephus attributed a story about Moses being a high priest who seized control of Egypt for several years before being driven from power and banished. According to the story he took a bunch of lepers out of Egypt with him and Manetho identified this this priest as Moses. I think that these days, most Egypt scholars (of which I am not) think that Manetho’s story was a somewhat distorted account of the motheistic Pharaoh, Akhenaten.

[New_Iskander]

@Diogenes the Cynic

I would have to read the context of the “leper” quote in order to give a sensible response about it, but could it be that Marx was using “leper” to designate a class of people who were marginalized and scapegoated by the larger society?

Granted, larger context would be important (the cite is from letter to Engels, 10 May 1861). However, self-vilification of Jewish intellectuls was a common phenomenon in 19th century Europe. Lasalle himself said, “I only hate two kinds of people: journalists and Jews. And I happen to be both.” There are plenty more examples, which only goes to show that anti-semitism is extremely complex, involving Right, Left and even Jews themselves.

[Imasquare]

@Marley23

Possible reasons include:
*among nutty Christians, traditional ‘justification’ because the Jews killed Christ

I’ve heard that one several times in the past and it has always puzzled me. Surely it was the Romans who killed Christ, wasn’t it?

[Good_Egg]

The Pope did it!

[Marley23]

@Imasquare

I’ve heard that one several times in the past and it has always puzzled me. Surely it was the Romans who killed Christ, wasn’t it?

There have been a lot of SD threads dealing with this question before. In the story, the Romans do the crucifying, it’s written so that the blame is on the Jews and that’s how it’s been taken. It’s the Jewish mob that decides they want Jesus executed and they say “His blood be on us, and on our children.” My understanding is that it’s probably written that way so as to avoid blaming the Roman government, who wouldn’t have taken kindly to it, and perhaps to spare the feelings of the ‘target audience.’

[Imasquare]

@Marley23

There have been a lot of SD threads dealing with this question before. In the story, the Romans do the crucifying, it’s written so that the blame is on the Jews and that’s how it’s been taken. It’s the Jewish mob that decides they want Jesus executed and they say “His blood be on us, and on our children.” My understanding is that it’s probably written that way so as to avoid blaming the Roman government, who wouldn’t have taken kindly to it, and perhaps to spare the feelings of the ‘target audience.’

At the very worst the Jews can only be seen to share the blame, but not own it completley. After all it was the Romans who nailed him up and no one forced them to do it. Who could force the Romans to do anything they didn’t want to in those days?

So if the Jews are merely complicit in mudering Christ why do they always seem to be singled out for all of the blame? No one seems to hate the Romans for their at least equal share of the crime.

And of course it wasn’t all Jews who were encouraging the murder, so why do they hate all Jews? Christ was after all a Jew himself so why do the Jew haters not also hate Christ?

It seems to me it is simply blind hatred of another ethnic / social / religious group.

[Marley23]

@Imasquare

It seems to me it is simply blind hatred of another ethnic / social / religious group.

I’m not saying it makes sense, I’m just saying.

[Imasquare]

@Marley23

I’m not saying it makes sense, I’m just saying.

Yeah sorry I wasn’t having a go at you. I get a bit carried away in discussions about people who are treated unfairly.

[BrianJ]

I’ve been thinking about this. If Christians really feel it was the Jews fault that Christ got crucified, and that the so called event had ANYTHING to do with modern Jews, they should personally shake the hand of every Jew they meet to thank them for their ancestors actions in creating Christianity. :rolleyes:

In other words, without the Crucifiction, there would be no Christianity.

[Beware_of_Doug]

@kunilou

Throughout much of its history (indeed up until just the last several decades) many Christian sects believed, and even openly taught that the Jewish people collectively were responsible for the death of Jesus Christ

During the Middle Ages, Christianity taught that lending money with interest was a form of usury, therefore theft, therefore a sin. This left the development of the banking industry open to Jews, hence, the assumption that they controlled the money.

Jews have historically been a minority group, often squeezed into ghettos. This made them easy to target.

There are other reasons, but those three will serve as a good starting point.

How about that pernicious notion of social justice as everyone’s duty? Imagine how that makes people feel who believe in tribe and power above all.

[E-Sabbath]

Not to mention that, of course, the story as described, is not something that would have happened at that time and place, in that manner. I believe cmkeller explained once the entire status of jewish law at the time, but I am unable to find the thread.
I do recall that it was the rough equivalent of telling someone that the state cops arrested you, and found you guilty of a federal crime. Cops don’t find people guilty, there’s a trial, and they don’t have jurisdiction anyhow.

[sleeping]

@Beware of Doug

How about that pernicious notion of social justice as everyone’s duty? Imagine how that makes people feel who believe in tribe and power above all.

Huh?

[Diogenes_the_Cynic]

@Beware of Doug

How about that pernicious notion of social justice as everyone’s duty? Imagine how that makes people feel who believe in tribe and power above all.

Who are you talking about in each instance above and what do you mean?

[Lochdale]

Not to be confused with any suggestion of justification but many Jewish communities were very insular and not particularly open to outsiders. This allowed opportunists to spread all sorts of hateful propaganda which found fertile ground amongst the ignorant. Additionally, they were a handy scapegoat with no larger group or entity willing to stick up for them.

Not to drag Israel into this debate but I can certainly understand the rationale behind having a strong independent Jewish state particularly when your history is littered with such persecution.