+1. It’s pretty damn funny that the one who accuses the other side of “tantrums and lying and pride in one’s own ignorance” is the only one unable to comprehend that other’s may have a different point of view and is the one having a tantrum, obliquely (cowardly?) insulting two posters.
They want the GOP to pass their bill. Not the bill GOP wants to pass.
Well, you have to explain why Republicans like McCain and many others do not think like you.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/09/30/2698471/republicans-against-the-shutdown/
This is just plainly wrong. They keep asking the house to send them over a clean CR? We’re talking about American politics here, in October, 2013. You?
Or, perhaps I understand much better than you wish I did.
Could be because I am not a Republican. Could be because those quoted don’t have to run for office (except McCain, but then he’d feel better being a Democrat anyway).
McCain is ancient history. I was done with him when he ran for President. It’s sad. He should just retire. Instead he choses to help the Dems at every turn. He and is Boy Wonder, Lindsay Graham should both hit the road.
You have too high an opinion of yourself.
Or you don’t. There’s always that. And that’s the one I’m going to go with.
Very thoughtful responses there, gentlemen. :rolleyes: Quite convincing.
Oh yeah, about that:
It is like a dance of the 7 veils, and most of the Republicans are not being told that the demands are looking less and less as the “Bill” the Republicans told the rank and file that they would get from this reckless confrontation.
Last time I checked he is still a senator, try again.
Good thing that many do not think like you, even in Arizona.
You just happen to agree with their base on every issue?
No, he’s just slightly more reasonable than the extremists who are currently calling the shots.
Could it be that you are telling others not to check the link and to see for themselves that the list includes many Republicans in office?
I think that’s thoroughly untrue. A President doesn’t, necessarily, have to have any interest in his own legacy. Likely enough they do, because that’s a matter of political perception, and if you’re a politican that doesn’t think about perception then you’re not going to be President. But there’s plenty of actual stuff that a President has the opportunity to do, and I can certainly see a President being more interested in that - especially since a legacy is subject, at least in part, to that anyway.
On the other hand, it’s quite literally the job of political pundits to correctly comprehend a President’s legacy. That’s what they articulate; their jobs are reliant on explaining it. They’re paid to talk and argue about that legacy. If they write books about it, again, the level of interest in those books is going to be reflective of how well they’re able to comprehend (or, cynically, manipulate, but that requires knowledge, too) of that legacy.
Terr and magellan01, here’s a hint. If your view on those that disagree with you after a 4 page thread is that they ‘refuse to understand’, then maybe your arguments simply aren’t as convincing as you think. That’s significantly more likely than the other side of the argument are all mentally inferior to you.
By the way, I think its illuminating that after 4 pages of this, not one answer has been given to the question posed in the OP as to what the GOP is offering on their side of the ‘negotiation’. Besides of course just doing their job and not letting the country default. That’s the only thing anyone has come up with so far. A simple question, what are the republicans willing to put on the table, and so far nothing but ‘not purposely destroying the economy’, silence and some variation of ‘I know you are but what am I?’. Yes positively illuminating.
Certainly not the ones quoted in the post.
There is no way I expected to convince a bunch of leftists of anything. They are usually quite impervious both to logic and to facts.
Yeah, see where that attitude takes you in life chief.
Its too bad we have to watch an example of that type of thinking playing out in our government right now with the entire economy at stake.
There are limits on how much one can quote to in this message board, in any case the point stands.
You only avoided dealing with all the Republicans that have to face reelection that do not think that this was a good idea. There is more than just a “bunch of leftists” telling you how dumb this idea was.