What do Trump voters think now?

Then you might want to explain to her how it is that she would be safer with a degenerate such as myself than in the presence of a sexual predator like Mr Grabbyhands.

The biggest difference between you and Trump, though, is that he didn’t make sexual comments about my daughter. But, hey, you were joking, right?

Her politics are not mine. Other than on the issue of guns, my politics are liberal across the board. One thing we do share, though, is laughing at you.

Have you met Clothahump?

100 days, and we judge already? Such are the times.

Trump got in a supreme court justice, a high moment for any president.

He has brought in hope in business. Lots of jobs have been added, the stock market is up. He also changed the dynamics and concept of American companies staying here and building here.

If the corporate tax rate is cut, business will surely boom.

Taxes, his wall, and other promises which require congress will require him to work with congress.

If I could give him advice, I’d hire a twitter / social media manager, and tell him to keep many of his thoughts to himself.

It is ever-so-slightly easier when you’re afforded the opportunity, after everyone suddenly agrees to start adhering to the Constitution again— but hey, let’s not let such quibbling minutiae detract from his monumental achievement.

The 100 days benchmark started in 1933 with FDR. Trump quite loudly promised much in his 100 days.

It’s too early for anything that Trump has done to take effect or show even a start.

The tax cut will not make business boom. Boom happens when there’s an increase in demand for a product. If the extra money goes to profits and executives and not workers, there will be no increase in demand.

Kinda worried about Vinnie here, he’s a vulnerable and sensitive soul, this sort of cruel and sarcastic assault…well, its like stuffing a lit firecracker up a frog’s butt, isn’t it? I can only hope that he can find the strength to go on.

Or that he doesn’t give a fuck. Maybe a dog and some decent scotch. Whatever.

Anyway, we’re here for you, Cuz. You open up a pity party thread and we’ll all flock around and console the living shit out of you!

I don’t think I would enjoy your company, what with your penchant for “locker room talk.” Obviously, you had no way of knowing that she was my daughter. OTOH, you did know that she was somebody’s daughter. On the whole, I prefer to avoid people who are comfortable with misogyny. And Vinny? He’s a funny guy. The funniest guy on this board IMPO. It’s nice of you to try to take up for him; but you could be putting effort where it is needed, instead.

EVERYONE, take the personal sniping and bickering to The BBQ Pit.

[ /Moderating ]

Why would we expect Trump voters to be disappointed? He has either delivered or ostensibly attempted to deliver on every core campaign issue he ran on. Sure, he’s waffled on some of the specifics such as whether Mexico is actually going to pay for a wall, but his crackdown has already reduced the flow of immigrants into the country, and that couldn’t make his base any happier. Trump has already put one right wing ideologue on the SCOTUS, and he seems poised to put one and possibly even two more by the time 2020 rolls around. He’s de-funded PP. He’s ripped environmental regulations to shreds and has a cabinet full of science-deniers and billionaires. And he’s otherwise made liberal elitists froth at the mouth with every tweet and soundbyte. Why would Trump voters NOT support that?

The problem for Trump now is that he needs to expand his base of support, but he has a lot of time to do that. Again, I think liberals who hyperventilate over Trump fundamentally fail to understand what they’re dealing with and what makes him strong. And what’s worse is that anytime other progressives try to explain it, progressives begin attacking each other in a war for leftist ideological purity. If nothing else, Trump has succeeded in causing the moderate and hard left factions to fight their own civil war over the soul of the democratic party (or whatever it becomes).

The evidence suggests it doesn’t really matter what he does; what maytters is what he says. If he SAYS he’s done something, his supporters buy it.

Quite honestly I do not believe Trump supporters are ever going to be largely disappointed with him, irrespective of what he does or doesn’t do. They project onto him their belief in what should happen.

Two years from now when unemployment is up, will any Trumpists blame him? No, because they will simply refuse to believe it’s true, just as they refuse to believe unemployment went down from 2009 to 2017. Facts don’t matter. Trumpists believe unemployment is up, crime is up, illegal immigration is up. None of those things are true. It doesn’t matter.

I tend to disagree. The richer Trump voters who aren’t harmed by his policies might feel that way, but again, there were a number of counties that went for Trump in 2016 that had been reliably democratic in the elections before that. I think it’s a mistake to dismiss all Trump voters as people who are so far detached from reality that they would knowingly vote against their own interests. The evidence doesn’t necessarily support it.

I think a lot of liberals are just angry that Trump voters don’t see what we see – and with good reason. I completely agree that the Trump campaign / presidency is living largely in a fact-free world, which is frightening. But we had an election that was actually quite close and one which went for Trump on a little technicality called the electoral college. If progressives start dismissing Trumplandia as nothing more than backwater, then they’re going to repeat the same errors that have landed them where they are now.

As I’ve said on other threads, the warning signs for Democrats have been there for a long time. The election and re-election of Barack Obama led the party to believe that it had time and demographics on their side. They’ve written off much of the Heartland as permanently red (which is not necessarily the case) and the rest of it assumed would just fall into place, which it didn’t.

That’s one of the positive things to come out of this election. It did send a message that you can’t take the electorate for granted. If you ignore them, thinking you have them in your back pocket long enough, they can and will vote you out to send a message, no matter how bad the alternative is. In fact, one wonders if maybe the worse the alternative the stronger the message.

Yeah, Trump supporters would rather listen to Trump than the truth.

Huh? He proposed that but the CR passed by Congress maintains the funding at current levels.

I stand corrected. It’s factually incorrect to say he de-funded, but his fan base applauds his efforts nonetheless.

Originally Posted by RickJay
The evidence suggests it doesn’t really matter what he does; what maytters is what he says. If he SAYS he’s done something, his supporters buy it.

Quite honestly I do not believe Trump supporters are ever going to be largely disappointed with him, irrespective of what he does or doesn’t do. They project onto him their belief in what should happen.

Two years from now when unemployment is up, will any Trumpists blame him? No, because they will simply refuse to believe it’s true, just as they refuse to believe unemployment went down from 2009 to 2017. Facts don’t matter. Trumpists believe unemployment is up, crime is up, illegal immigration is up. None of those things are true. It doesn’t matter.
You can ignore reality, you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

Not even Trump voters are entirely of one mind that can be identified. I’ve seen “town hall” type surveys of Trump voters that seemed to suggest that a goodly portion of them wanted to yell “Fuck you!” to each and every with their vote, and thought the damage would be minimized because Trump would not win, and if he did, the real politicians would hold him check.

And at least some of the people who voted for Trump believed they had good reasons. For instance, the Wall is a seductive premise, it seems like something strong and emphatic, like bold and decisive action. Remember, Trump promised just about everybody something (and its opposite as well, half the time). Coal miners are not going back to work, Trumpcare will not provide better and cheaper care than Obamacare, so on and so forth. At least some number of them will sour.

Now, if you are Trumpivik, and everybody you like and respect is also, your loyalty is gonna be solid. But as soon as somebody you like and respect changes their mind…that’s a whole different kettle of piranha.

I think the health care debate and the real possibility of losing health care under the new GOP plan is starting to open the eyes of at least some Trump voters that some of his and the GOP’s policies might not be in their best interests.