I always run into this problem on apps for fast food restaurants where you can order ahead. You’ll get into weird scenarios where you can add or substitute anything you want on the normal burger but suddenly when you try to do the same for a “specialty” burger you can’t despite the fact if you order in person you can. I think it was the Big Mac at McDonald’s I couldn’t remove onions on on the app but I do it all the time in real life at the store.
Here you go, “no alterations”.
Apologies for the epically awful page in that link but its the first thing I found in a minute of googling and I can’t be arsed to do more to satisfy D’Anconia.
Here’s one from a place in New York (Karakatta). Note the bottom: “No Alterations To Menu.” Here’s a place in Washington.
Well taken that way additions would also be allowed, as there is no swapping.
However both fail because you are substituting one item (cheeseburger) for another (hamburger) in your example.
You can’t *substitute *anything - that is, ask for something instead of what’s on the menu, or described to you verbally by the waitron.
Well, I didn’t say cheeseburger I said sandwich, and I think we’re looking for a heuristic here, not a epistemology.
Anyway, I will stand by that in my experiences no substitutions means you can substitute one dish element for another. Leaving off something (unless it’s premise or prepackaged) is rarely an issue. Additions are another beast all together, because you run the risk of adding to the cost without expecting a change in price.
Of course, I meant can’t (bolding mine).
So a Japanese restaurant in NYC, and a restaurant menu in Australia (which appears to only apply to the “Pizza Bar” section of the menu).
And yendis added another restaurant in Australia.
OK :dubious:
I maintain that “no alterations” is NOT at all common on U.S. menus. YMMV.
Heres another- although it doesn’t actually say “alterations” , it does say “modifications” . https://www.caesars.com/content/dam/atl/Dining/Upscale/Martorano/2019/martoranos-dinner-november2019.pdf
I suspect how common it is depends greatly on the type of restaurant.
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I believe it should be choice #2. But as with others I voted #1, because I’ve run into that situation far too often not to assume that’s the default.
In particular one of my favorite pizza places. Even cooking to order they will not delete a thing - if you don’t want their perfect vision of pizza you can just go somewhere else. Since they’re never hurting for business they really don’t fucking care you don’t want any garlic oil ;).
You know, “no alterations” was apparently common enough for Burger King to run that whole “Your way, right away” campaign.
I can’t speak as to how common it is, but I’ve certainly seen it on menus. Sometimes as “no alterations or substitutions.” But your request was simply to show you a menu with it. Most restaurants do not have menu images online, so I can only provide you with what a simple Google search can find.
Here’s one place I have actually seen it, though while it was in New York. It’s Una Pizza Napoletana (which is now back in New York. One of my favorite pizza places ever.) And it uses the phrase I remembered seeing on menus, though reversed and in the singular: “No substitution or alteration.”
From 2012 Have it THEIR way: More eateries say ‘no substitutions’
Not really all that new.
From 2011 When Restaurants Refuse Substitutions
From 2012 Allergy Eats No Substitutions” policies in restaurants: a disturbing new trend
I interpreted the cite as a request for specifically the “no alterations” as opposed to “no substitutions” wording. “No alterations” is less common a wording than “no substitutions” as far as I’ve seen it, but it most definitely is a wording I’ve seen on menus. Why the odd request for a cite for this by D’Anconia, I’m not exactly sure, and it doesn’t really add anything to the discussion.
I went to a Japanese restaurant today. They offered some vegan dishes. This included a vegan bent with miso soup, but the miso soup wasn’t listed as vegan on the menu. When I asked, the waitress affirmed that even though the misogyny is listed in the vegan bento, they don’t serve it but substitute. What do they substitute? Nothing!
Most Japanese soups, especially miso and wakame use dashi (bonito flakes and seaweed) as their base, so not vegan.
I didn’t even know you could order misogyny for dinner these days. I certainly wouldn’t!
You have to order it specifically and it costs more if you’re female.
Don’t you oppress me!