What does the DMV do?

I was in line a few weeks ago, and I started to wonder: What is it that the California DMV actually does?

I mean, they handle registration, IDs and licenses. Now, since registering a car doesn’t actually require you to show the car itself, I don’t understand why this cannot be entirely by mail. Now, IDs and licenses, this requires a photograph, a thumbprint, a written and a road test and that’s it. Why does it always seem like there’s at least 50 people working there? They only have 3-4 people total doing the pictures and the testing, so what do they do?

I’m not trying to be sarcastic, but both alternatives scares me: Either the DMV has 98% functionality that I’m not aware of, or it’s 98% inefficient.

So what’s the straight dope? What the friggin hell does the DMV do?

Can’t speak for CA, but here in NJ you *can * do everything regarding car registration by mail or online. Of course, the folks in the DMV still have to process the same number of forms whether you’re there in person or not, so maybe that’s what the rest of the folks are doing when they’re not taking photos and issuing drivers’ licences. Ya think?

In Pennsylvania, you have to go to PennDOT for the initial stuff, but you can renew online. Fortunately, PennDOT is usually gasp helpful!

Robin

In Georgia, I believe they get fired if they are polite or helpful. I do not personally know one person who got what they went for on the first trip.

What about extorting money out of you? They did that to me in Louisiana.

I didn’t have problems with them in Georgia, but my mom’s husband did. He had a Guam license. They would not believe that this wasn’t a foreign license and it took kicking up a huge amount of hell to get them to. You’d think out of three or four people one of them would know that we own Guam.

As far as I can tell the DMV is there to inconvenience you.

Except the CA DMV will always send everything out to Sacramento to be processed.

If these people weren’t working for the DMV, they’d be employed by Safeway or McDonald’s or Home Depot or some other, more vital location that they would screw up like they have the DMV. Better to have them all in one place, where we only have to deal with them every couple of years, as opposed to every day! :smiley:

Why couldn’t they just be… y’know… unemployed? I’m personally fine with that.

I’m pretty sure that’s policy in California. Helpfull gets you fired almost faster than incompetence. The funny thing I’ve had occasion to work with the DMV headquarters in Sac, and they are far more helpfull than any of the local branches. Go figure.

I’ve had to bring a car physically to the CA DMV when my mom gave me her old car previously registered in Colorado. The clerk went out in the parking lot to confirm the VIN and mileage.

And when all else fails, make an appointment. I swear I’m the only person alive who can go to the DMV without her head exploding. . .

Except for some things they don’t even have a system in place to check if you have an appointment or not. So it’s first come first serve and the “Appointments” line is shorter. I never go in that line unless I have an appointment, but not everybody is that ethical.

Just for reference, the IRS does a lot more than the DMV but I couldn’t tell you where the nearest IRS office is.

Our DMV is fairly organized and I still hate it. I have a Pit thread around here about how the NYS DMV should be reamed with a planet-sized chainsaw, only someone corrected me and said it should Universe-sized.

The main reason I go in is because this is how it seems to work for me:

  1. Send in forms.
  2. Wait.
  3. Wait.
  4. Receive letter in mail, saying “You need this form. Please re-submit.”
  5. Send letter with new form.
  6. Repeat steps 2&3.
  7. Get letter saying, “The price has increased. Send more $$$. Please resubmit”
  8. Send in more money.
  9. Repeat steps 2&3.
  10. Finally get issue resolved.

When I go in, the bastards aren’t much different. They literally have looked me in the eye, saying “You need this form” and when I say, “Is there anything else I need?” They’ll say, “Nope.” Then when I come back the fuckers want more.

Isn’t this a Pit thread yet? :smiley:

But have you tried to renew your license with the “Six Point Identification System” yet?

I advise you to bring every piece of paper you’ve ever touched.

The CA DMV hasn’t hired a new person in three or four years, so I doubt they’re padding their work force. Also, think about it. The driver’s license is the fundamental document of every person in the state. If you don’t have one (or a DMV issued ID card, which involves the same paper work, minus road test), you essentially don’t exist in society. You can’t have a bank account, you can’t access government services, you can’t even ride Amtrak. (About the only thing you can do without one is get a library card.) So just about everyone needs one, and has to get it renewed every five years.

Also driving. All of the documentation involving cars is done through the DMV, including the yearly registration and tags, (though if you have AAA, you can do it there). And since the only people who don’t have cars are those who can’t afford it, or aren’t able to legally, a huge number of people have to deal with the DMV for that, as well. And there are other things, like boats, and special class licenses for professional drivers, etc.

Then see that the Los Angeles Area, for example, which has about 11 million people, and only about eight or nine DMV offices (ten, max). So even if a lot of the paper work is done through the mail and processed in Sacramento, there still are a huge number of in person transactions that have to be done. The employees who aren’t at the front desk are processing all those documents. It’s a huge amount of mind-numbing bureaucracy.

The DMV is the primary way for the state to keep track of people. When a cop wants to check you out s/he will call in your driver’s license number. Car insurance companies do the same. So the state has a hightend interest in maintaining all kinds of documentation, and even though the population of the state continues to grow, they’re cutting back on funding.

I don’t know how effificient those people in back are. It’s probably pretty hard to get fired. The people at the front desk might be morons or not–I think most are just indifferent. Whatever the case, without a doubt they have a huge amount of paperwork to process.

Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but the DMV for me has never been the nightmare people describe it as. I’ve had only one worker be incompetent with me. When she rejected a document I had, I demanded to see her supervisor. The supervisor checked something on the computer, and said everything was okay.

Otherwise, my visits to the DMV have been fine. It’s not the five hour wait and a crabby widow person. Usually it’s just an hour to an hour and a half at the height of the day, and the widow person just says, “Show me what you’ve got,” types in something and then, “Okay, go to window #X,” or “Pay $XX and your done.”

Michigan doesn’t have a DMV; everything related to driving etc is handled by the Secretary of State offices.

6-point ID system. Ohhh, yeah.

Since you asked: I figured I was all set. I had my passport, my old license, a photo ID from work, my FAA pilot’s license. But was that sufficient. Nooooo. Seems that my passport and pilot’s license included my middle name, but not the old DL. Should be no problem, right? Surely the set of people with the name M… S… includes those with the name M… L… S… Nope. Bring in your birth certificate. Well, that’s a problem, see, since my birth certificate has my birth name, and everything else in the known universe has my married name, which I have been using for 40 years. So, I am advised, bring in my marriage certificate. Except after all this time, I have no idea where the dam thing is. We didn’t know if the official records would be stored in the town or county where we live now, the town or county in which we were married, or the town/county in which I lived prior to my wedding. Finally got it (town hall of the municipality in which we were wed). Of course, when I brought all that stuff back again, the person I saw that time didn’t need the marriage document. :rolleyes:

*Vehicle * registration, however, couldn’t be easier. I actually renew all 3 of our vehicles on line.

DMV offices in the Los Angeles area.

In New York, the DMV varies. In Schenectady County, they’re quite helpful and the lines are reasonable (though they are long at the beginning of the day).

There is no Albany County DMV; since it’s the capital, the DMV is run directly by the state. It’s not so good. Much bigger and longer lines, though they have improved things by having an information desk to go to first so you don’t get caught on the wrong line.

I didn encounter one screwup. I was registering a car there and there were some issues. I had to pay sales tax on the price (even though it was given to me without payment). The clerk said it could be taxed either the book value or from an assessment. I got an assessment that was lower than the book value. Came back a few weeks later, and got a different clerk, who told me it could only be the book value. I told her someone at her office said I could use the assessment. She asked me who, and, luckily, I spotted the other clerk and pointed. Her!

She remembered the case and straightened things out.