From the Christian bible though. Is God of the old testament not the God of the new?
Sorry, Marcion, Irenaeus defeated you around 1,866 years ago.
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I’m so disappointed in you guys. All these posts, and no one mentioned George Carlin?
"millions of dead motherfuckers, all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question: “Do you believe in God?” “No.” Boom! Dead. “Do you believe in God?” “Yes…” “Do you believe in my God?” “No.” Boom! Dead. “My god has a bigger dick than your god!”
Hello, KimJongUn.
I must say, the stench of troll is strong with you. (Broad-brushing, button-pushing, lazy posting, illogical statements, antagonism, casual dismissal of reasoned responses and smug claims of victory! Slow down fella!)
I’m sure we are poles apart in our world views, but I would like to reach out to you by focusing on our similarities.
Like you, I am not particularly good at expressing my muddled thoughts or making sound and logical arguments.
Like you, I can be a bit of a near-sighted fool.
Like you, I enjoy imaging that I am right and others are wrong.
Like you, I am irreligious.
Like you, sadly, I am rather lazy.
And like you, I know almost jackshit about Islam, which is why I don’t go spouting off about banning all Muslims or forcing them to convert to some other belief.
If you are genuinely curious about the merits of this religion, acquaint yourself with some of it’s followers. Visit a local mosque. Step ot of your bubble, my brother.
Go, and sin no more.
Best post ever.
Three pages in and no one’s mentioned the 72 Virgins thing? I mean, hey…
Although I myself would prefer a dormitory full of porn stars.
With my luck, they’d all be Ron Jeremy.
‘Atheist’ is never a religious belief.
Yeah, but for the purposes of the exercise lack of belief can be persecuted too so had to be included.
Not a jot nor tittle…who was it who said that, again?
Please explain, “more so”? Either religion has no bearing on how people act, or it does and people act accordingly. If the latter, why would you expect a follower of someone who taught people to ‘turn the other cheek’ to be more violent compared to someone who was a warlord and beheaded people for fun?
The actual difference is that someone killing in the name of Christianity could be considered a hypocrite. Islam, not so much. Not all religions are the same. I can’t imagine there are many Jainists that are going around killing people and using their religion as an excuse for doing so.
Sure. What constitutes virtuous behavior in Islam, btw? Not how millions might practice it, but what does the text say?
The only people who would persecute atheists are those who are religious. Atheists don’t persecute other atheists because they are atheists. There is freedom of religion and from religion because there IS religion.
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Kay. This is sort of a non sequitur. Do you have a script that just searches for the word atheist so you can charge in and make random arguments or did I just get lucky?
People draw from religion what they want to draw from it. Peace-loving people tend to see the peaceful aspects; people driven by hate are drawn to the hateful and violent aspects. (And ‘turn the other cheek’? “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34 If you want to find an angry, even vengeful Christ, He’s in there. Pick the right slant on the right verses, and you too can read the New Testament to demand violence against the unbeliever.)
Who’s doing this considering? Some of the greatest Christian theologians said that killing in the name of Christianity was a good, loving, Christian thing to do, while many Muslim clerics have denounced ISIS and its adherents as contrary to Islam. Is the Grand Mufti of Egypt more or less representative of his faith than Martin Luther?
How many Christians practice Christianity exactly as the New Testament demands? What does the text say?
“Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.” 1 Corinthians 14:34
“I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes.” 1 Timothy 2:9
Here are 3 examples:
Quran 2:178
It is not righteousness that you turn your faces to the East or the West, but truly righteous is he who believes in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the Prophets, and spends his money for love of Him, on the kindred and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and those who ask for charity, and for ransoming the captives; and who observes Prayer and pays the Zakat; and those who fulfill their promise when they have made one, and the patient in poverty and afflictions and the steadfast in time of war; it is these who have proved truthful and it is these who are the God-fearing.
The zakat, one of the Five Pillars of Islam, is a special tax, to be paid to the neediest in one’s society.
Quran 3:135
Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and those who suppress anger and pardon men; and Allah loves those who do good.
Quran 46:16
And We have enjoined on man to be good to his parents. His mother bears him with pain, and brings him forth with pain. And the bearing of him and his weaning takes thirty months, till, when he attains his full maturity and reaches the age of forty years, he says, ‘My Lord, grant me the power that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do such good works as may please Thee. And make my seed righteous for me. I do turn to Thee; and, truly, I am of those who submit to Thee.
Speaking of hypocrisy…It’s quite amusing, in a very sad way, to see someone using the moniker of a horrendous murdering atheist and at the same time condemn a religion about which he knows damn near nothing.
You left out a few:
I’m asking about ‘more so’. Sure you can say that the New Testament* is just as violent as the Quran, but is it actually? How much further do you have to ‘slant’ a verse in one over the other? But the underlying question remains unanswered: Does religion have an impact on how people act?
*I left out the Old testament because Islam includes at least parts of it as revealed truth, so to Christians and Muslims it should be a wash as to what they garner from it.
I don’t know. How would YOU interpret Luke 19:27? “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.” Personally, I don’t think you have to slant that at all to conclude that Christ, at least in that passage, wants Christians to kill unbelievers. What do you think?
Islam is an ancient, barbaric ideology with a book bathed in blood, much like Christianity, with good bits that people pick out to justify their belief.
Muslims are, by and large, law-abiding and reasonable citizens. The vast, vast majority of them are not terrorists. Just like the vast, vast majority of atheists and christians in the USA are not terrorists. They are as deserving of our constitutional protections and sympathy as anyone else. Case in point: only 4% of them polled as wanting to vote for Trump. That certainly puts them above Christians in the “not backing a dangerous, clueless demagogue” department. How 'bout you? Can you claim to have made that choice right?
I personally know or have known dozens of Muslims and none of them believe in beating women or killing infidels. And so when I see Islam characterized by the beliefs and interpretations of a very small number of its extreme adherents, I recognize that as untrue and I speak against it.
I don’t judge actual Muslims by what’s written in the Quran anymore than I judge actual Christians by what’s written in the bible. I judge them by their actions and by their actual character.
When people like you, who clearly don’t have any meaningful firsthand experience of Islam or Muslims, make sweeping generalizations, I recognize immediately that it puts people I love and care about in danger of being misunderstood and vilified and possibly worse, and so I speak against it.
So, as other posters have pointed out, it’s not a question of “supporting Islam,” it’s about standing up against ignorance and protecting people who have done no wrong.