I hear Republicans say the exact same thing about Democrats.
I’m sure you have heard this from them.
You’ve also likely heard from them that Obama was born in Kenya.
And you’ve also heard from them that the Democrats are running a porn ring in a pizza shop.
And, that Obama is the literal Antichrist.
And, that there are underground tunnels linking all the Walmarts and they are hiding Chinese troops.
That you have heard something from Republicans does not make it factually true.
I’ve heard plenty of things from Democrats that aren’t factually true either.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Trump thinks a later incident vindicates his earlier fabrication of one that did not happen. Wow. The White House is now (pick all that apply):
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A few years ago, I would have given you that. There were some stupid things said about Bush, for example (though not many from actual Democrats in positions of responsibility).
Now though? The equivalency you’re trying to draw is not even close. Like not even orders of magnitude close. You know this. But for some reason, you feel compelled to defend “your team”, no matter what they do, no matter what they say, no matter what depths they plumb.
Seriously - look at your leader. Look at him. Listen to what he says. It’s ludicrously, egregiously, fantastically out of touch with reality. If you have any love for your party, re-claim it from the nutty fanatics.
I’m far more of an ideologue than a partisan, which is to say that I think of myself as a conservative first, and a Republican only nominally. That being said, I don’t “know” that, or even agree with that. And I don’t think I’ve been too big on defending Trump here so much as pointing out liberal hypocrisy. I think Obama and Hillary and the Democrats are peddling falsehood virtually every time they bring up the “wage gap” and the rationale behind the Lilly Ledbetter Act, as just one recent example. So go cast the beam out of your own party’s eye before you wax poetic on what I ought to do.
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I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Trump thinks a later incident vindicates his earlier fabrication of one that did not happen. Wow. The White House is now (pick all that apply):
[ol][li] ____ The Outer Limits[/li][li] ____ The Twilight Zone[/li][li] ____ Mystery Science Theater 3000[/li][li] ____ Through the Looking-Glass[/li][li] ____ Journey to the Unknown[/li][li] ____ Beyond Belief[/ol][/li][/QUOTE]
The white House is none of those.
Every one of those had authors of wit, intelligence, and integrity. The White House may be the subject of an episode of one of those.
Because that’s all you got? You don’t waste your ammunition defending the indefensible? Well, good for you! Certainly less of a strain upon the imagination.
So, your case entire…the hard shell, the gooey center, its simply “You guys are no better than we are!” OK, then tell me: on what basis should you be trusted to govern? You are not numerically superior, you are not intellectually superior, not morally superior, so what justifies your relentless opposition?
I’m not sure what you mean by “relentless opposition”, but as for “on what basis should you be trusted to govern?” my answer would be that Republicans won the election, or perhaps more precisely, they won more of the elections than the Democrats.
Oh, I see, so this is a recent development, then? For the previous eight years, you were totally supportive of the guy who won the elections? Well. tell you what, just gonna take your word for that.
Right. Because “incorrect interpretation of data relating to an extremely complex nationwide issue covering several decades” falls into the same category as “belief that a Presidential candidate is involved in a child sex trafficking ring being run out of a DC pizza shop”.
Just curious, what % of Republicans believe the Clintons were running a child sex trafficking ring out of a DC pizza shop, and what % of Democrats believe that women are being paid substantially less money for the same work?
ETA: It’s not an “extremely complex … issue”. It’s simple. Virtually everyone here at the Dope understands that the “wage gap” is a bogus statistic, and accept that the simplistic talking point Obama and Hillary share with the public is either an ignorant one, or a dishonest one. No one here bats an eye at it.
If your only defense is a vague and/or unequal in scope “They do it Toooo!”, then you have no defense at all.
I don’t recall seeing this poll and/or thread where a majority of Dopers gave their opinion on the matter. Could you maybe provide a link?
Have women, in the past, been paid “substantially less” for the same work as performed by men? Do you deny that? If you don’t deny that, can you tell us precisely when that ceased to be true? Was it Republican virtue that tipped the balance? The same eagerness for justice and equality that has been their guiding principle for, lo, these many years?
Its up to us to provide the answers, he’s just asking questions.
I don’t have a poll. It’s a sense I’ve picked up over my time here whenever the subject has come up. I’d be delighted to be wrong though. If you, or other Dopers, think that BHO was on firm intellectual footing and a paragon of honesty when he ran a campaign ad that said “women (are) paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men”, I’d be delighted to have that debate. I thought most of you were smarter than that though. Are you, Czarcasm, smarter than that?
I’m smart enough to know the difference between the original blanket statement you made about what most Dopers believe and the question you are asking here.
The 77 cents on the dollar thing is true, depending on what numbers are compared (it’s the “for the same work” which, depending on what exactly that phrase means, might be false to some degree). Various other comparisons can be made to show a smaller gap. I think it’s closer to “half-true” than “mostly false”, per Politifact’s criteria, and they even mention why – “Whether due to a historical legacy of discrimination or because of personal choice, women and men are disproportionately represented in certain jobs.” Lower representation in various career fields, education levels, and the like, might really be due, in part or in whole, to gender discrimination, and it’s reasonable IMO to make that case.
That’s certainly one opinion on the matter. If your side cries about dishonesty while being themselves dishonest, they don’t get a lot of sympathy or consideration from me. It seems to be a recurring thing here that hypocrisy is no big deal if Democrats do it. Some of us don’t agree.