What Happened to Acid of the 60's?

I was having a conversation with some friends this last weekend and we were talking about the different things that were popular in the different decades.

Well the 60s came up and acid and pot use were definetely a big part of the 60s. So we started wondering what happened to acid use after that. I mean pot is still used today but you never hear anything about LSD or mushrooms anymore.

Why? Is it because drugs like cocaine and crack got real popular? Or are people to busy these days to trip out 8 hours anymore or what?

Anyway, I told my friends about you guys and how y’all had answers for everything and that y’all could get to the real reason. SO DON’T LET ME DOWN! :smiley:

Actually, I still know where to get acid and shrooms, and I haven’t been friends with any druggies in a long time. It seems to me to be just as prevalent as always. Not as prevalent as doobie, but still there, just under the surface.
On another note, Ecstasy has made major inroads and seems to be much more popular than the others, and surely has taken away some potential consumers who like Ecstasy’s “mixture of speed and acid effect” all in one little pill.

You can order LSD on the web from Sigma, reasonably priced at $46.40 for 1 mg (enough for 10 “tabs”. Of course, there’s a small amount of paperwork to fill in for the DEA before they’ll ship it :wink:

The LSD MSDS is pretty interesting …

Arjuna34

Well, the chems used to make it are a lot harder to get today. Most of what you get on the street is not really LSD, but rat poison. Same general effect, but will kill you eventually. The folk I have spoken with in Law enforcement and the drug councilors I know say that almost never do you see real LSD anymore, and since most of the people who are using it have never had the real thing, they don’t know the differance. If I was so inclined to do that sort of thing(I’m not), I wouldn’t take anything that I didn’t know the chemist personally. Shrooms are probably a better option, but I don’t really know anything about those.

I never said I want to do acid or anything. I just wanted to get back to my friends why it(acid) went away that is all. Man, I need to keep every brain cell I got. :wink:

I wouldn’t trust a cop or a drug counsellor on the subject. They have an agenda to maintain. There is still honest-to-goodness LSD out there, but for the most part, the “standard” hit is about 1/4 to 1/2 as potent as in the '60s.

Mushrooms can still be had. Just go out to a field and pull them off the cow patties after it rains. Tried it about 4 times in my life. Twice I got off; twice I felt nothing. I saw a couple of people do a lot and they got stupider and stupider. I pass on it now. Drug experimentation among most people sharply declines with age and pressure from reality makes most people more in need of alertness.

These were close friends of mine, the cop was even into shrooms himself, so I doubt he had anything against it really. I used to have a friend who supposedly had a source for the real thing, but that was a decade or so back.

No thread about LSD would be complete without mentioning Augustus Stanley Owsley III. http://thebear.org
Putting his mane into google will get you all the info about acid you could ever want. As to its availability (on the street), I don’t know. I’ve been told that the illicit sources of acid are shrouded in greater secrecy than any other drug.

That is the most absurd thing I’ve heard. There are too many rumors and myths going around about acid. First, there was a myth about strychnine in acid. Now rat poison?? Rat poison has the same general effect as acid?? I need to get me some of that.

I live in Mississippi and acid is very hard to find. It comes around every once in a while but it is soon gone. There are a lot of shrooms here though.

In Dallas, TX it’s pretty readily available, $5 to $8 a hit, usually blotter or sugar cubes though I know someone who buys it by the vial. I’m not into it as you have to make sure you have 8 hours free and someone around to make sure you don’t get too whacky, but it’s a hell of a deal. I know a lot of people who don’t like it’s aftereffects, but it’s never given me any kind of hangover, it just takes too long to come down.

First of all… there is Acid to be had out on the streets nowadays.

Acid, LSD, or more technically lysergic acid diethylamide (acid = saure in German, hence LSD), chemical name : 9,10-Didehydro-N,N-diethyl-6-methylergoline-8ß-carboxamide, chemical formula : C20H25N3O, appears to be on the street.

According to http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info5.shtml there are few active analogs of LSD that are likely to be widely seen on the street. I know of several people who can consistently obtain LSD, usually in the form of small pieces of blotter paper impregnated with a small amount of the drug.

( A size comparison showing the size of an average LSD blotter is available here : http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/show_image.php3?image=images/archive/pill_dimensions1.jpg )
LSD is an incredibly complex organic molecule whose synthesis ( http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml ) is quite difficult and requires several years background in organic chemistry, a professional quality synthesis laboratory, as well as a quantity of precursor chemicals whose sale is closely monitored by the DEA.

As such, the DEA ( http://www.dea.gov/concern/lsd.htm ) has presented the the following information about the underground LSD market in America. (I hope this isn’t quoting too much)

“Much of the LSD manufactured in clandestine laboratories is believed to be located in Northern California, and initial distribution sources for the drug are typically located in the San Francisco Bay area. A limited number of chemists, probably fewer than a dozen, are believed to be manufacturing nearly all of the LSD available in the United States. LSD is available in at least retail quantities in virtually every state, with supply increasing in some states. Retail-level distribution often takes place during concerts and all-night raves. Users usually obtain LSD from friends and acquaintances.”

Also, I would like to point out some things about many drug myths about the quality of street drugs…

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LSD bought on the street contains such a small quantity of material (generally 5-7 mg including the paper in an average square of blotter paper) thus it is virtually impossible to adulterate LSD blotter. LSD is active in the range of 100 micrograms, one of very few molecules active in such miniscule doses. LSD blotter contains either LSD or nothing.

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Furthermore, (now that i have a rant going), PCP is never embalming fluid. While it is highly unsafe, of varying quality (as it can possibly a number of dangerous chemical relatives of PCP), highly stupid, insanity producing, etc, PCP is never embalming fluid or formaldehyde. This is a mixup in terminology, as slang for liquid PCP used to be “embalming fluid.” Actual embalming fluid is highly toxic and would kill the users, which would mean they would not be able to buy more PCP.

Furthermore, marijuana is never laced with crack or heroin. This would cost far more, and would not be profitable to sell, you would be told if marijuana you tried to buy had heroin. Marijuana may be laced with PCP as well (or oregano or tobacco as well) but will most likely have a characteristic chemical smell if this is so.

However, I don’t want to imply at all that street drugs are at all safe. People have mistakenly taken PMA, an non-psychoactive, dangerous analog of MDMA (ecstasy) and died. Furthermore, no matter how reliable the source for an illegal drug is, it’s contents are unknown and could be anything. I don’t advocate the use of illegal drugs at all, only education about them.

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adam

Dont know how absurd, but could be inacurate…I don’t know. I am not a chemist, or an expert of any kind on the subject. btw strychnine=rat poison. What I posted, is information given to me by people I trust to know what they are talking about, and who are generally honest (at least with me). It is generally a source of amusement to folks in law enforcement, new generation wannabe hippies taking the shit and thinking they are getting acid. maybe they are wrong, maybe the ladc I used to talk to at the hospital I worked at was mistaken…Personally I trust him, but then again I have no desire to try the stuff anyway, so it doesnt bother me. what they told me was that most of the LSD confiscated in the Fort Worth/Dallas area was not LSD at all. take it for what its worth.

To repeat what others have said. . .

Acid is still widely used, though is considerably less popular than alcohol, nicotine, marijuana, and now ecstasy. Took me about a week of asking around on campus to find some for mom & me. As best I can tell, availability fluctuates wildly.

Price: usually $5-$6 per hit, though the average modern dose is several times less potent than it was during the 60’s.

I’ll just weigh in with others that have said that it’s definitely around. If you don’t “hear about it,” you’re just not hanging around with the right people. I hear about acid available pretty often. And let me tell you, if the acid I’ve taken is rat poison, I should get ahold of some rat poison. If strychnine had effects even comparable to acid, it would have become known, and people would take to eating strychnine to trip. That “confiscated acid” would have one name among users: “bunk.” No one would be fooled. It could just be that the fake peddlers are more inept and likely to be caught.

I heard strychnine can cause tracers, which MIGHT trick an idiot who has never done acid into thinking he is tripping.

But strychnine is not used in rat poison. Rat poison uses:

warfarin
2-pivaloyl-1,3-indandione
2-iso-valeryl-1,3-indandione
difenacoum
chlorophacinone
coumachlor
diphacinane
brodifacaum

Warfarin is the most common ingredient. Quit spreading urban legends here, please, we FIGHT ignorance at SDMB.

Uh bdgr that’s crap. Rat Poison could not be mistaken for acid. Whoever told you that was either incredibly stupid, or pulling your leg. Acid is generally readily available still, and still widely used.

Unfortunately I haven’t been able to get any for a while. Just shroom pills.

Not that I’VE seen, DAMMIT!!!

BTW, zen101 gives a pretty good explanation of the state of acid today in this thread:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=45056

zen101 really hits the nail on the head, there. I find that poster’s explanation to be plausible; it correlates exactly with the experiences I had and which led me to eventually swear off my most favored of recreational drugs.

I am convinced that the commonly available “acid” of today is either not LSD at all or, as zen101 suggests, is highly diluted and combined with other substances. I quit doing the stuff because starting in the early to mid 1990s, I noticed a distinct change in the effects of the drug on me. At first I thought it was a result of my getting older and reacting differently to the drug, but a chance encounter with the real thing convinced me that this was not the case.

The LSD that I knew and loved did not induce +100 bpm heartrates. It did induce stunningly vivid visual and auditory hallucinations. Of my last half-dozen experiences, only once did I take something that met those criteria. That’s not a winning percentage, so I’m outa that crap shoot. I suspect that there are a lot of other purists like me who no longer trust the stuff, or the people who sell it.

Oh, it’s definitely around alright. My son can get it, which worried the hell of me at first. I did a fair bit of it in the '60’s and finally decided that it was psychic abuse and stopped. But today acid and pot have traded places in terms of potency. Acid in the sixties could be some hellish ride that took days to straighten out but the pot was bunk. Now it’s opposite. Much of the pot nowadays is strictly wheel-chair material.

But, I still had to rag on at my son (20 yrs old) that acid is, in all probability, nasty stuff. Anything that was researched and developed by the CIA for use in experimental mind control programs, in all likelihood doesn’t have your best interests at heart.

As an aside, that rat poison reference. Back in 1968 a group of us inadvertently scored some bad acid. Turned out it was bella donna - which is an Old World poisonous plant.
The rumour on the beach was to stay away from that guy selling acid…it’s really rat poison. Maybe that was just the beginning of some of us hippies’ urban myths.