So again, there I was at my niece’s Catholic funeral, and the Lord’s Prayer was recited. I actually spoke it out loud but unwittingly nearly screwed up the end because while everybody stopped after the line “But deliver us from evil” I nearly kept going with “For thine is the kingdom…”
How did everybody know to shut up after that line but I didn’t?
This is how I learned it:
Our Father, which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth,
As it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
The power, and the glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.
11/27/2011 - the catholic church changed mass last year. I Haven’t been, but read stuff like “peace be with you” has changed. Was that the only difference you noticed?
In my Catholic Church growing up in the 80s the priest said the last three lines by himself only, the unwashed masses only joining in on the “Amen” part.
As a Catholic schoolboy, I don’t recall it being said every time, but definitely heard it occasionally. It was more of a “depends on the person’s preference” thing.
According to wikipedia the doxology ($5 word) was not contained in the earliest texts and is generally considered a later addition now.
Yup. That was so annoying back when they had teacher led prayer in public school. I was Protestant while the teacher and most of the students were Catholic. They looked at me funny when I said the last bit, and if I didn’t say it I felt like a traitor. I was so happy when the SCOTUS outlawed teacher-led prayer.
I’m not sure what is wrong with people who want prayer back in school, posting the 10 commandments, Bible study, etc. Whose prayers, what translation and books of the Bible, and what version of the 10 commandments are they supposed to use? Do you want the govt to pick them?
Catholics don’t consider the doxology to be part of The Lord’s Prayer. During mass, we stop after “deliver us from evil”. The priest then says some words, then we say the doxology.
Been that way for as long as I can remember (40 years or so).
Yeah, Catholics don’t say the doxology as part of the Lord’s Prayer. Typically, what happens is we say the Lord’s Prayer, ending with “but deliver us from evil.” (No “Amen.”) Then the priest says “deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.” To which the congregation then responds: “For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours, now and forever.”
That has been the way every Catholic mass I’ve been to since the 80s has been said, at least as far as I remember. (Although I don’t know if anything has changed as far as that goes since the new mass.)
Yeah, you are right… as soon as I hit Submit I had second thoughts about my memories of the order of the Mass… a 20 year church attendance gap will do that to you.
Catholics don’t say that part, but after Vatican II it was added after the congregation said the prayer and the priest said a couple of sentences. Then we all shake hands. Ikk.
In Hermetic Qabala (as opposed to old Jewish men Qabala) and Western Occultism of various flavors, there’s a personal rite called The Qabalistic Cross. There’s some visualization involved, and the making of one’s body into a cross, with the intonation of the Hebrew words “Atun, Malkuth, Ve Geburah, Ve Gedulah, La Olam Amen” (spelling varies according to source. A lot.)
This is roughly translated as:
Atun: Unto Thee
Malkuth: Kingdom
Ve Geburah: Power
Ve Gedulah: Glory
La Olam Amen: Forever (and Ever), Amen
Neophytes are tickled when they make the connection to The Lord’s Prayer.
I don’t have the heart to tell them it’s not actually part of The Lord’s Prayer.
The footnote, in the version you quoted, notes that some late manuscripts insert the “for yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.”
Is anything known about how or why those words made it into “late manuscripts” but not earlier ones?
In the churches I attended in the 1970s and 1980s (French-speaking Catholic), everybody recited the prayer without those 3 lines, with “Amen” in closing, then the priest recited some other paragraph (something like “bring peace to the world, etc. as we await the return of Jesus our Saviour”) and then everybody replied with the equivalent of “for thine is the Kingdom”, etc. and another “Amen”.
I went to Catholic school from 1-12, and we never said it. I remember once having a Protestant in class (!) in about 4th grade, and the teacher using it as a teaching moment to tell us about other religions.
