Can’t we stay OT? Please? There are enough of these degenerative threads any more, and I don’t have time to read them all, dammit! 
Esprix
So why do we observe Good Friday and Easter Sunday? Was there another day, in addition to Saturday, between Friday and Sunday, 2000 years ago? If not, you can’t say he was resurrected on the third day.
Maybe he died on Good Thursday and arose on Easter Sunday? Or he died on Good Friday and arose on Easter Monday?
That, or tradition has usurped the truth.
Freedom, PLEASE tell us you are NOT a Creationist!!! We’ve had enough of them around here lately. :mad:
Sorry about that. :o
When all else fails, ask Cecil.
Talk about touchy. I was not trying to be controversial at all, just poking fun at atheists.
Talk about an unexpected response.
I’m not trying to debate anything here. I was just pointing out that practically EVERYONE in the world has some beliefs that are a little strange if they don’t happen to be your own belief.
I don’t have a hard and fast explanation for how life started. I do believe God was involved, and I am a Christian.
Where’s the tolerance?
I was just making a joke. Gimme a break. I didn’t get all bent out of shape and defensive when you guys starting cracking on Christianity. I make one little Atheist comment withour a smiley, and youguys flip out.
Here…add these to my previous post…
I (or Twin, or any of you) can spin of a “Debate Biblical Inerrancy” if y’all wish it. I would ask Twin first, though, since s/he’d be likely to be the lone defender (though I’m tempted to defend biblical inerrancy myself) and the thread will die an immediate death if s/he doesn’t feel inclined to debate.
It just seemed odd to me, Freedom, that you responded to a post about atheism with a list of questions that have nothing to do with atheism. Theories commonly believed to be likely by atheists, yes, but also by many/most theists! So it seemed weird.
I think Freedom’s point in his post wasn’t that the stuff he asked about is proof against athiesm, but that when you put anything, even science, down flat, it sounds crazy.
“Oh, and the faster you go, the slower time passes.” That sounds completely nuts. It’s special relativity.
“Jesus will rule for a thousand years and then a new Earth will be recreated.” That sounds nuts. It’s the book of Revelation.
“There was this flood, and almost everyone died, and then a guy threw rocks over his shoulder that turned into people.” That sounds nuts. It’s a Greek creation myth.
The problem with saying “Your beliefs are f***ed up” is that most everything beyond the mundane sounds really weird laid out in summary.
–John
I leave it to the reader to guess, which, if any, of the above examples I believe.
'Twis brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gymble in the wabe.
Mimsy were the borogroves,
And the momeraths outgrabe.
Okay. I had just finished getting caught up on the Creationist thread and started seeing fundies everywhere. (Now you know why I don’t post on LBMB any more.)
When all else fails, ask Cecil.
Wow! I post and run, and look what happens, all without me!
A little weaving in and out, but certainly some interesting comments, and tit for tat!
Just for shits and giggles, the funniest answer I ever got to this question was…
“That couldn’t be the real Jesus, he wouldn’t ask, He would just take people!”
In which case I guess the question should have been, “If a man claiming to be Jesus, took you, would you resist?” Oh well…
ToddI guess it depends on the contradiction. If it’s a contradiction such as “Person X is 30 years old in this verse, but in this other verse, he was only 15, so which one is right?”, I don’t think about it much. I have heard of these contradictions, but can’t think of one off the top of my head (but I’m sure someone could point one out for me.) If it’s a contradiction dealing with doctrine, then I don’t know of any.
I can say that. Jesus said it himself. I agree with your theory that the world may have shifted some dates around a bit (I don’t think Jesus was born on December 25th). I think people count that he died on Friday, so that’s one day, Saturday is two days, and Sunday makes three. This is just my guess, though. I’ll have to do some more research.
When it comes to religious beliefs, I think that a lot of people stumble over small things and ignore the larger issues. You don’t have to believe that Jesus was born on December 25th, you have to believe that he was born of a virgin. Which is harder to believe? Was Jesus dead for two days or three? If Jesus said that he would rise on the second day, would you be saying “Well, since Jesus said he would raise from the dead in two days, and there is two days between Good Friday and Easter Sunday, then I believe.”
BTW Gaudere, I’m a he.
The way I understand the crucifiction, was that because it was before passover, there were 2 sabbaths.
Jesus was dead for three days and three nights.
So if he rose on Sunday, then he was crucified on Thursday.
ARG said:
Hmmmm. Doesn’t say much for God being a “loving” God then, does it?
Freedom said:
Eh? There is one sabbath per week. I’m not sure how you get two in there?
David, we’re not going here again, are we?
Nemo:
Clever Nemo. Very clever. You forget that in order to receive any of His forgiveness, you have to want it, and believe that you will be forgiven. I’d go on, but we’re already too far off the OT.
“Life is hard…but God is good”
As I understand it, it had something to do with the specific year and the timing of passover.
I’m not a bible scholar, so I will do a little search around the web and see if I can find details.
Freedom: No matter what the time of year, there is only one Sabbath per week. I think you’re confusing something else with Sabbath here (like maybe the Passover Seder?).
ARG said:
Hey, you said it – I just followed up. It’s up to you if you want to go there or leave it as it is.
In response to the OP - the scenario described sounds like a UFO abduction. Could be a good plot for an “X Files” episode. So, nope, I wouldn’t be going with that faux-Jesus.
David
Ok, I asked about the 3 day and night thing.
It seems there is a little controversy out there in the Church about this.
The pastor I asked gave me an answer, but also told me that other people explain it differently.
His answer was that Jesus did not rise on Sunday, but rose on the beginning of the new week. Since then, we have compressed the days and the translation into English isn’t exact.
Is this the answer? I don’t know. But Easter is coming up so I will have plenty of opportunity to throw this question at people.
Ok, now I think I’ve lost you on the question. I was just addressing the possibility of having two sabbaths in one week. I’m not sure what you’re talking about with having a new week and a Sunday and all that. I think we may need to start from the beginning. Or at least I think I do.
Ah, blind faith must be a wonderful thing… :rolleyes:
So, Twin, then what would you do if Jesus arrived as stated in the OP? What if my ficticious Ethelbert showed up?
Esprix
In Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:6, and Luke 21:8, Jesus answers that question. “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.”
Twin:
Well that’s just peachy, but how are you supposed to know which horse to back? Because if it’s left up to the average schmuck on the street, well, there are people out there who actually voted for Lyndon LaRouche, for the love of Mike.
Waste
Flick Lives!