Probably good to keep those stress hormones at a minimum if pregnant, too. And it’ll reduce your subsceptibility to heart attacks.
On the other hand, sitting around and just putting up with tobacco smoke and other such problems is bad for your health. Not to mention that you might as well hang a sign on you that says “abuse me !”.
Alternatively, she could just enjoy the ability to go to cafes until we as a society all get together and decide that pregnant women shouldn’t take the sort of risks with their unborn child’s health that proximity to coffee entails. :rolleyes:
And if coffee put out throat burning toxic fumes like tobacco does, you might have a point. But it doesn’t, so you don’t.
And if the eggshell plaintiff were the standard by which we regulated the general public, then YOU would have a point. But it isn’t, so you don’t.
If I, your next door neighbor, smoke my lungs out in my own backyard, or have BBQ every night in my own backyard, or have a fire in my fire pit every night in my own backyard, and the smoke blows over into your backyard, every night, and because you are more sensitive than the average member of the community, you are negatively affected by it, your remedy is no remedy.
I think you’re being a bit thin-skinned with your complaint - after all, it is taking place outside. At most you’re smelling it and and danger to the dilute smoke is probably no more than the carbon monoxide from a passing car.
I suspect the cafe owner would simply take down the sign and that you’d like be guilty of defacing private property.
I think it’s a petty idea, but I love it anyway. Cigarette smoke bothers me quite a bit; I don’t even like being able to smell it in traffic (not that I’m trying to say you smokers shouldn’t be able to smoke in your cars. Have at it. I’ll be all right).
I don’t think the sign would do much good, though. When I was in University, there were plenty of signs reminding people not to smoke within 20’ of entrances, but nobody gave a damn. So, I sympathize, and I encourage, but I have no belief that any amount of guerilla ordinance-posting will change the world.
Go somewhere else. We’re pariahs everywhere else, if a few of us have found a minor enclave where we can do what we used to do with impunity then tough shit. A few wiffs of smoke isn’t going to kill you, and if it is then get back in your bubble. You breate and consume worse stuff than a wiff of outdoor cigarette smoke more than you probably think.
Write a letter to the owner. Then to Code Enforcement.
Really?
Where in this wikipedia article does it say that the excessively sensitive plaintiff is entitled to relief?
Because I checked, and it doesn’t.
So, in keeping with the tenor and intelligence of your post, I rebut with the exceedingly applicable:
“no u.”
I don’t smoke with the exception of the occasional cigar and I agree with Argent. Real pollution from cars and industries screws up the air a lot more then some smokers lighting up next to a cafe. Yet the asthmatics and other “sensitive to smoke” types are fine with using underground garages or living in LA. I see them as weak people disparately looking for power over someone. The “nice guy” league needs an outlet for their frustrations, so they pick on smokers.
This, I think, is an interesting line. You’re worried about your own health, and the health of your baby, but you still go to this cafe just because it’s convenient? That’s a little odd. It sounds as though you’re willing to endanger your own health and your baby’s health for the sake of convenience, but you’re unwilling to let strangers do the same.
If anyone ought to be inconvenienced in order to protect your family’s health, shouldn’t it be you, and not the rest of the world?
Daniel
We were pretty miserable, actually. Smokers just didn’t care, and still don’t.*
We couldn’t do anything about it, because we were in the minority. Now, non-smokers are in the majority, and so now we get to make the rules. Smokers get to suck it up, so to speak.
*[SUB]Excepting all of the smokers here on the 'Dope, whom I’m sure conscientiously carry around vacuums with air filters so that they don’t inconvenience anyone else with their fumes. They also always pick up their butts, and rescue kittens from trees.[/SUB]
It would make me want to take up smoking, just out of spite.
Seriously it’s an unbelievably dickish thing to do.
ETA: I’m a non-smoker and I don’t like ciggy smoke.
I don’t smoke, and I don’t like smoke, but this strikes me as both petty and passive-aggressive. You’re unwilling to take it up with the owner or go to another cafe, both of which are mildly inconvenient to you. You are, however, willing to post signs, hoping to mislead people into believing that it’s illegal to smoke there, which is inconvenient to you and the owner (who will probably be the one to end up taking them down) and is dishonest.
Has it occured to you that maybe we don’t care about your feelings because your feelings seem to be “I don’t like it, so anyone who does it is clearly a bad person.”?
The day someone can explain to me why having a cigarette *outside, where no one is forced to stand near you * should be illegal, in a way that doesn’t resort to whining or hysterics, then maybe I’ll care.
Depends on the specific facts of the case and the particular jurisdiction, as with all things in law. He may not, in fact, be entitled to a remedy if he can’t sufficiently demonstrate that your actions constitute a nuisance. But, the point is that your blanket statement that he can’t do a thing about it, period, and by-the-way nyah nyah nyah, is wrong.
Hmm… nope. My understanding is that you need to feed your addiction, and get pissy when someone doesn’t like having to share in your addiction. As I said, we had to deal with your smoke in our faces for generations- when I was a kid, there literally wasn’t any public place you could go where there weren’t blue clouds of smoke- so now it’s your turn to deal with a situation you don’t have any control over.
If you don’t like it, force the tobacco companies to come up with a way for you to smoke in public that doesn’t force *others *to smoke with you. If you want to smoke a smokeless cigarette, more power to you. If you want to smoke a regular cigarette around me, be prepared for me to raise as big a stink as you’re raising.
Somehow, I doubt any argument would be sufficient for you, so I won’t bother.
It’s actually really simple: you do something that smells, and other people don’t like it. It’s not a question of people’s assessment of your morality, it’s simply a question of you doing something that affects other people. Your need to strawman people by pretending it’s about them being judgmental speaks volumes. Defensive much?