What is Consciousness (Self-Awareness)?

(the following is a slightly adapted version of a post in the memory is a physical thing thread)

The brain does a lot of things automatically. Some of them are quite complex too. Some things we do consciously at first, can become automatic, unconscious behavior later. Some behaviour we do automatically and give conscious explanations for afterwards, which sometimes are demonstrably not even true (see also the thread on perception, cognition, reality … )

I believe that consciousness is only a small, small part of our biological computer, more of an interesting side-effect, if you will, than a fundamentally integral part of the system, practically equal to the system itself. I’ve given this some serious thought back in the days that I studied Artificial Intelligence, and came up with the following conclusion, which I’m now basically still waiting to be proven or disproven by science, or by other SD members.

First of all, I assume we are a biological computer and purely physical. There is nothing, in this world, that gives me any impression of this being otherwise. Evolution went from small, simple, direct things to increasingly higher levels of complexity - more complex forms of interaction, procreation, memory, replication, etc. Things have evolved in terms of complexity, but complexity alone does not make a fundamental difference in how sensory stimuli interact with each other.

Simple beings receive sensory input to which they react directly with little or no interaction with any form of memory other than that they were ‘mechanically’ built to. The difference between a dead object like a thermometer and, say, a live organism like a coral is quite simply that the thermometer was created by man, and the coral recreates itself, with the blueprints for the first written down by man, and the blueprints for the second written in DNA.

The fundamental differences between the first and the second come down to procreation - the coral can reproduce itself, the thermometer can’t. It doesn’t grow, it doesn’t beget new thermometers. Those are fundamental difference between a live object and a dead one.

There’s no reason for a coral to be more aware than a thermometer.

From the coral we can move on to more dynamic memory, which allows us to remember that red things hurt us and green things feed us (for instance birds eating different insects). We remember a color and a sensation, and the next time we see the color we remember the sensation.

The more directly linked the experience becomes with the memory, the more we appreciate Pavlov’s research. This is why experience and memory are easily linked, and it’s tempting to make them equal. One of the questions posed here is if they are. I’d say they are not quite, but can be very similar, depending on the complexity of processing being done.

Let’s look at this from the “a memory is a physical thing” thread:

It’s not quite that simple. Brain activity is registered as a wave of electricity passing and strengthening existing paths and sometimes forming new paths altogether (brush, sweeping, etc). When we grow up we experience rapid random growths of neurons and pathways in many areas in the brain, which are at that point extra susceptible to new path forming. Hence part of the reason why we can learn certain things better in our youth, for example.

Bringing Pavlov back into it, let’s say that a dog smells meat and starts salivating. There’s a neural pathway that leads the triggered electrical stimulus from the sensory input to the part that stimulates glands to start producing saliva. Now we ring a bell each time we present the meat. Because the two stimuli from two separate sensory inputs occur simultaneously, the brain forms a pathway linking these two stimuli.*1 Now the bell rings by itself, and sends an impulse through the pathway that links the smell of meat and producing saliva, and saliva is produced by virtue of hearing the bell all by itself. Interesting examples of this process happening is when you see a guitar player moving his mouth while playing.

So far it’s simple. But a vast number of connections (bilions) can form in the brain that are triggered and channel input and output in incredibly complex ways. Some paths form quicker and regress slower (what input they require before activating), and vice versa. But what is clear is that they can, like computers (actually the other way around of course), form complex patterns that allow incredibly complex ways of combining sensory input and physical reaction to that sensory input.

Let’s go back to the bell. This incredibly complex pattern can form all sorts of represenations of the sensory input of a bell, most of these linked to a bell. This complexity can cause us to think of a bell in more and less predictable ways. If we were, however, trained to associate a bell with the smell of read meat, and our salival glands were as strongly asociated with that smell as in dogs, we would often send a stimulus to our salival glands when thinking of a bell.

Does this mean we’re slaves to input, just really complicated reactionary machines? Yes, we are. But why don’t we seem that way? Obviously, the complexity is one reason. Another is that energy can travel through these pathways without sensory input altogether. Here we may think that we control our thoughts, but the energy will go to the paths most easily stimulated whether or not the energy is mostly circular or whether they are caused by sensory input.*2

After all, we remain a product of our experience and DNA. But why do we then still feel that we ‘are’ someone, and not just someone, but ourselves? Why are we self-aware?

Some of the interesting ‘programs’ we develop is the concept of self, and self-reflection. It forms from observing and starting to symbolize yourself, from seeing your hands, seeing yourself in the mirror, distinguishing yourself from other people like you, learning about your own sensory input and memories, learning language in which you use your own name and I and you forms, and so on. In a sense, you get memories of memories, if you will. You start identifying and remembering some of the patterns in your head. Before you know it, there’s a complex pattern in the brain observing the complex patterns in the brain, and you’ve developed a consciousness, you’ve become self-aware.

Perhaps dreams are the best way of illustrating some of this at work. There’s a distinction we can make between dreaming, sleeping without dreaming, and being awake. It is The different aspects of the brain we’ve discussed is reflected in these three states. When we’re sleeping our deep sleep, our brain regresses to a very low level of activity. We are not self-aware at this point, there is little sensory input being processed, but we are not dead.

If we dream, sensory input is still hardly being processed, but the brain activity rises to near awake state. The effect is that because partly because in this sleeping state we don’t really process sensory input, but the level of brain activity has risen, the internal programs are being stimulated anyway. The difference is that this time the preferred pathways are followed with less interference or distraction from sensory input, and so it becomes less rooted in direct reality, and much more driven by memory.

The REM during this dreaming part of sleeping coincides with the activation of the visual memory similarly to the saliva and the moving mouth of the guitar player. The program in our brain that observes all this going on is also active at this phase and can therefore again make memories of these reactivation of memories, and because of that we can remember dreams.*3

Before I turn this into a whole novel, I’ll leave this view on self-awareness to your mental observation and gladly answer questions.

Arwin

  • After all, we as humanity have had a tendency to ascribe everything we can’t explain to supernatural causes and not the other way around. (A healthy habit, helps to avoid learned helplessness, which psychologists know is a good thing.)

*1 Research shows that we are rigged, from birth, to respond more strongly to combined impulses, so pathways linking these are formed quickly and easily in the brain.

*2 I mean all sorts of input to the brain here, including hormones and such released by organs and nervous systems.

*3 Notice that this theory is supported by dreams, like fantasy, never really containing anything new, always being constructed of memories of things we experienced earlier.

And I hope you remember that I myself said it was much more besides. Note that the same can be said of this:

… because I can create in my mind things which are not in the world, like fantastical animals.

Yes: I called that “averages” of memories in the other thread, which again is perhaps a little more easily understood as a computational and statistical process.

I think we must define our terms very carefully here. Are you identifying “self-awareness” and “consciousness” as equivalent? Are these both different to cognition? (I personally find it more useful to consider them all equivalent, and divide up the continuum into bees, birds humans etc.)

Assuming “self-awareness” and “consciousness” are equivalent, where do you guess you would place your threshold:

A) On the timeline of evolution? (Coral, insects, birds, rats, chimps, Australopithecus, ancient Egyptians etc)
B) In the development of a human? (sperm/egg, zygote, embryo, foetus, neonate, baby, toddler etc.)

Personally, I consider senses, memory and memory access to be the indispensable entities, and the third only really appears at insects and, say, an 18 week foetus, and so I say that a bee and a late second trimester are aware, conscious and have cognition. “Self-aware” would appear to be rather more than that, requiring one to pass a test of recognising oneself in a mirror, for example, which I gather doesn’t appear until parrots and toddlers.

Actually, I intended to remove that quote alltogether. I rewrote the text around that quote for it to be deleted, but never did. That’s what you get for straightdoping at work. What did I say about multi-tasking again in that other thread?

And they would be combinations of things you knew.

I’m not sure averages cuts it completely. I was thinking more of things like ‘I know I have seen that somewhere’ or ‘I had a clear picture of him in my mind this morning, but now I’ve forgotten what he looks like.’

Yes, I do hold them largely equivalent, but the words are used in very different ways.

Definitely in the post-natal development of the human. I think somewhere between 3-6, as between 6-9 they start realising other people are self-aware. It’s usually linked to the first memories you can remember. I’m not sure yet if it occurs anywhere else, but I do think chimps could perhaps become self-aware.

Yes, I mentioned that mirror example, but it’s an unreliable one, as I mentioned also, partly because of the way some animals work, for instance recognising each other by smell. But I think that the self and awareness in this context are linked to each other very fundamentally. I’ve sometimes, as an exercise, tried to imagine I had only visual memory to parse the world with, and no language would be available.

If I consider animals like cats in the wild, they distinguish and remember other individual and their encounters with them. From this, they could develop a concept of themselves as an individual. From that, they could develop something rudimentary like self-awareness. But it would be very low and minimal, I suspect.

We’d have to define a few tests, like the Turing test for AI, that demonstrate levels of self-awareness and somehow distinguishes this from automated behavior. This is not easy, if you follow my perspective on self-awareness, because in my definition even in an advanced human it’s a small part that does little more than see what’s going on inside of the brain.

As an afterthought, it just struck me that self-awareness and consciousness aren’t the same. Consciousness is merely the difference between the nervous system processing sensory input and not processing sensory input. Animals can be knocked unconscious for instance. However, they do keep on breathing, their heart still beats. At the same time, they do not respond to sounds, touch, etc. There’s some interesting things to be learnt from what passes through what areas of the brain and how much, from the differences between conscious and unconscious states, I’ll wager.

I see some interesing possibilities for cruel animal lab tests under the MRI and such … :smiley:

This is the nub of the problem. SentientMeat thinks that a bee is aware while I think it’s a near perfect example of automated behavior. What tests could we construct that would prove it either way? We can use pheromones to make a bee do any of it’s behaviors but what do we prove with this?

I agree that it’s a small part that does little more than see what’s going on inside the brain and as we’ve discussed elsewhere it isn’t an accurate representation of what really is going on. I have trouble devising a test to prove other people are self-aware and not zombies, I have no idea how to do this for other species.

That it has a lot of predictable automated behavior. But nothing about awareness or self-awareness.

Actually other people aren’t so hard. As long as they speak your language, you can simply ask them what they are thinking. If they can tell you, I’d say there’s a pretty reasonable chance they’re self-aware. But animals, even if they are aware of what they are thinking, have a much harder time expressing it. So that’s going to be tricky.

Pretty reasonable chance, sure. But proof, hardly. A really dumb bot can answer questions. Now face-to-face, it’s a little harder to deny that someone you’re talking to is self-aware, but maybe that’s just a matter of good manners and not wanting to admit to delusions of grandeur.

Well, maybe not proof of the positive. But a lack of self-awareness would certainly follow if someone who can speak your language were not able to describe what he or she is thinking. Of course there are other reasons, but I don’t think it is a bad test. Any form of reporting on what goes on in the mind should be considered pretty decent evidence of being self-aware.

And I do think, by the way, that if a piece of software would be able to tell you about its own routines as they are being processed, including the routine that can tell you about its own routines, that this piece of software is actually also self aware.

I don’t think I’d call denial of the antecedant a good test of anything. It is in fact a logical fallacy. A implies B does not imply that Not A implies Not B. You cannot logically say that communication implies awareness, and that therefore whoever does not communicate is not aware.

If the reports are true, yes. But that must be demonstrated.

No, I think you’re right. I thought of this comment by either you or FinnAgain when I wrote that, but as I was writing I was already feeling that it probably didn’t apply all too well here.

But the ability of communicating one’s thoughts, is definitely strong evidence for awareness. In a medical test for a disability, I would consider it usefull enough.

As far as the reports being true, the brain can simulate a lot of things because it can memorise a lot of things. But one interesting test would be to see at what age you can teach a child to tell you what it thinks.

I wonder how closely autism is related to a malfunctioning or underdeveloped self-awareness routine.

But it could be equally strong evidence of all sorts of things. Maybe it’s strong evidence of a mouthful of food, or strong evidence of being pissed off, or strong evidence of being dead. That’s why it’s not logically valid.

No, I mean in terms of positive. And obviously, being dead, pissed off or a mouthful of food aren’t going to be interesting. These are things you easily rule out. There are only so much factors that can offer alternate explanations. I think you can ‘contraindicate’ for language issues, sensory impulse reception, etc. fairly easily. There are going to be cases in which multiple causes can exist, but these are going to be limited enough to be medically useful.

What does awareness have to do with nature or complexity of behaviour?

This standard makes my dog self aware. (a conclusion I agree with) I can ask him what he wants and he’ll respond to the question by showing me if he wants food or water or toys or a trip outside.

How about the bee example? A bee reports back to the hive through movement where she’s found a food source. This is reporting a past event that would seem to show the concept of self, the report tells where that particular bee went, but I don’t see it as proof of anything more than a chemically programmed sequence.

I have to disagree with this. You can get a watchdog process to dump the data from all the threads of a program, including itself, and learn everything about the program at that instant, but nothing has to be self aware. The software doing the reporting has no concept of what it is doing nor any sense of what the information means. It just mindlessly turns patterns of bits into other patterns more recognizable to humans.

Anything that goes on in the brain, was, I guess, too sweeping a statement on my part. Report on and communicate are too close to each other. As you indicate with your bee example, this is not it. We need to have something that indicates that the animal or person can report on what goes on in the brain, including the reporting itself.

Dumping the data is not quite the same, because that leaves the interpretation of that data to a human. No, it has to be able to interpret its own code, it has to be able to tell you what it is doing. However, it is interesting to think where the borderline would be for it to be considered self-aware. If I would compare it to a human, we could get some very interesting similarities.

Say that we wrote a programme that has a lot of processes going on, and there’s one process that can do reporting on this to a human. It won’t be able to report everything in real-time, just like humans can’t.

I think awareness helps greatly with developing meta-knowledge. I suspect that self-awareness also greatly increases man’s capacity to work in groups, learn and communicate with other people, and so on. The advantages and importance of the latter to humans should be pretty obvious.

Nope. Awareness coupled with free-will does that. Awareness itself is just a mode.

You saying that doesn’t make it true, though. Just saying. :wink:

If you’ve read my bit on awareness, you’ll understand I have quite a different view on free-will and awareness. If you disagree, I respect that, but just stating your disagreement isn’t going to contribute very much to a discussion. :wink:

I just read your OP and I don’t see anything in it that escapes determinism. How does awareness helps with meta-knowledge? Let’s get our terms straight first: awareness is the phenomenon of consciousness or experience, as distinct from awareness of self, which is a possible object of a conscious entity