You’ll have to excuse this post’s format, I’m new at this.
quote JamesCaroll:
Oh yea, no one else has to deal with stuff like that. Boo hoo hoo. Boo hoo hoo for you…
Did I say I was the only one who had a tough job? No I didn’t, I simply stated that teaching isn’t easy. And I knew that going in; both my parents were teachers, in the same district where I now teach, for that matter. I knew it was going to be tough, but my personal experience has shown me a great many people outside of the field of education have no clue. I made an ‘honest decision’ when I chose my profession.
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Then we step into the (crowded, broken down, poorly funded) room and have to make miracles happen with largely unprepared, unwilling, even hostile students. I love what I do and I understand that there are bad schools and bad teachers, but let’s not forget that the very best of teachers can’t teach a child who’s not ready and/or willing to learn.
quote JamesCarroll:
I have no doubt that schools need more money. But I hardly think basic knowledge of “reading, writing, and 'rithmatic” are miracles.
You’re right, those aren’t miracles (wait a minute, actually they ARE, but I digress), just that’s not the only stuff we’re expected to teach these days. State curriculum standards demand an incredible amount of knowledge be passed on to students. Breadth instead of depth is now our mantra, and I hate it as much as anybody else, but the world gets bigger everyday. It would be better to take some things off our plates, but lovely standardized tests demand students be jacks of all trades and masters of none.
quote JamesCarroll:
You have hostile students only because you (or the school district) have shown weakness and a willingness to give in.
Wrong! I have hostile students because I won’t give in and the kid just cannot deal with being held to a high standard. And their damned parents back the kids in their diploma-not-an-education mentality. I’m not even going to get into the students who are hostile because of things that have nothing to do with education, but end up in my face anyway.
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Children are immeasurablly resiliant and adaptive and will repsond to any challenge given to them.
Bullshit. SOME kids are resiliant, SOME kids will respond to SOME challenges given to them. Take it from someone’s who’s actually been there.
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Sincerely, I’m sure everybody here has raised great kids who value education and are the bright shining faces who remind me how teaching is supposed to work. Your sweeties are in classrooms with an entire system that manages by crises-- not because they want to, but because our society as a whole has very clearly stated it doesn’t want to accept any responsibility and wants the easiest, fastest ‘solution,’ not the best.[\b][\quote]
quote JamesCarroll:
Its everyone else’s fauly isn’t it? Society won’t accept any resposibilty? Well, step on up. How much are you, or the NEA, willing to accept?
Um, weren’t you paying attention? I have stepped up, I’m teaching my ass off but I can’t do it all. God help us, we end up raising half the kids ourselves. Kindergarten teachers routinely have completely unpotty-trained students they have to train themselves. It shouldn’t be the teacher’s job, but if you want that kid to learn it has to be done by the one person it seems cares. Then, while the teacher is potty training, the rest of the class is put at risk. And jezzly christ, what did the NEA ever do to you to tick you off so much?
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School should not (and cannot) be some big building you send your child to, so that you can collect an educated being in twelve years’ time, never having darkened it’s doorstep the entire time yourself.
quote JamesCarroll:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yes it should be and yes it can be. Of course, schools should not be factories on the line of those found in “The Wall”, but to send our children to an institution whose sole purpose is to educate them and we get out folks who can “read, write, or 'rithmatic” the system and everyone party to it has failed.
Schools not only shouldn’t be factories, they cannot be factories. The more we try to run them as such, the worse matters get. Too many people in the business sector think children=widgets and that what works in industry will work with schools. I will say it one more time; schools can’t do it all, completely by themselves. We’ve got to have support or, well, you’ve seen the result.
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Parents
Too tired to do homework or go to school board meetings or parent/teacher conferences? TOUGH! Its your kid! No one told you being a parent was going to easy. “Oooooo, life is hard. I don’t have the time.” Bullshit. Welcome to the real world that all your teachers prepared you all so well for.
Sound familiar? Parents who don’t go to school meetings aren’t even the ones I fret about the most. It’s the ones who are no more than sperm/egg donors, whispers in the wind, when it comes to parenting. Multiply that by 35 and you’ll have an idea of a fairly average class. Never mind the train-wreck years, with students who never bathe or change their clothes, steal food to eat at home, are being or have been sexually mutilated, etc. Mix a few of those in with the usual range of kids and you still won’t have a clue what it’s like to teach.
Can’t remember the exact quote, but it opened my eyes, years ago. American schools now educates more childen, at all levels of society, for more time, about more things than anyone could have conceived of a hunded years ago.
This could go on forever, and really it’s starting to seem a little silly now, but heck, I’ll post it anyway. Tilting at windmills? Just call me Don Quixote…