Yes, you’ve got it correct now.
Yep, pretty much what the data shows. Vaccination is a 9x multiplier on survival, so people who chose not to get the vaccine and then die are quite likely to have lived had they been vaccinated. That’s roughly in line with behavior most people would call stupid.
Per 100k Unvaccinated Singaporeans
- 4.5 / 100k are Critically ill / ICU
- 0.9 / 100k are dying
Per 100k Vaccinated Singaporeans
- 0.5 / 100k are Critically ill / ICU
- 0.1 / 100k are dying
Haha! Nicely done.
Yes! That is just about right. Perhaps closer to:
Unvaxxed deaths : “People are dying because they are being lied to about vaccine efficacy”
Vaxxed deaths : “People are dying because vaccine efficacy is only 70-90% and so many people were duped into not getting vaccinated that the virus is still running rampant causing many at-risk people to die unnecessarily”
Yes I’ve noticed the narrative change as the vaxx efficacy goes to miniscule levels after 6 months. At around 7 months you are basically unvaxxed again.
Suddenly people begin to realize that 64% of covid deaths have 6 of more comorbidities and the average age of death is higher than average life expectancy.
This above post is devoid of any meaningful content as the poster just created a false “narrative” that they want to attack and is non-responsive to posted factual data.
Science is not a narrative.
If you look closely at the statistics for deaths from falling from several thousand feet, you’ll find that the vast majority of the people who died were wearing parachutes. Clearly, parachutes are useless.
Again, for anyone reading this, this is false.
@agzem, let me try again. Let’s say you had 1 million people and 999,999 of them were vaccinated. Two people died, one that was vaxxed and one that wasn’t. You can rightly say that 50% of the deaths were vaccinated people. However, would you say that the vaccine was ineffective?
No, of course not. Because in my theoretical case, the unvaccinated people had 100% death rate, but the vaccinated only had 1/999,998 death rate.
Is this any clearer to you?
Most people these days wear seatbelts. Seatbelts have proven quite effective at reducing the risk of death in the event of a collision. Yet people who wear seatbelts still die in collisions. It’s possible more of the people dying in collisions were wearing seatbelts, just because far more people were wearing seatbelts in the first place, because as effective as seatbelts are, they fall short of 100%.
I’m under 40, but I’m old enough to remember people loudly not getting this about seatbelts, either.
Covid - or any serious illness - is always going to be more fatal to the elderly and the unhealthy, than it is to younger and fitter cohorts. That’s why, when comparing death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, you compare groups that are otherwise similar. You compare elderly unvaccinated to elderly vaccinated, cancer patients to cancer patients, and so on. What you’re doing is, effectively, comparing the death rate among vaccinated people over 70, to unvaccinated people in their 30s, and then acting like it means something when a bunch of people in their 70s and 80s die.
Note that the linked article does not show what this person claims:
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So, you agree that the vaccine is effective now? That’s excellent! And, I guess you’re recommending people get booster shots, too! It’s rare to see such an about face in a SDMB thread. Quite gratifying.
Jesus, man, here is the conclusion from the study YOU linked to:
How in any way does this align with your claim of “At around 7 months you are basically unvaxxed again.”?
Care to link to the article/paper that comes from? Or is there a reason you’re hiding it?
Yes that’s the same study linked in the Outkick story.
Here is the original article in Science…note the Outkick article uses hyperbole to get eyeballs, but the Science article contradicts nearly everything the poster is saying here…
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620
Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.