Here are your “Jews For Jesus”-in actuality a conservative Christian Organization founded in 1973 with between 30,000 and 125,00 people(the numbers depend on how overly enthusiastic a spokesperson is at the time.)
Are their beliefs compatible with mainstream Judaism?
No, not really.
That makes as much sense as someone claiming that she has 6 kids through natural childbirth and yet is still a virgin.
Just out of curiosity, are there any Christians who happen to be Muslim?
Christianity and Islam are like oil & water
Maybe one day you’ll figure it out.
Thanks for citing that link as it articulates specifics concerning my point about unbelief and Jews. ‘Born again believers,’ whether Jewish or gentile, are Spiritual brethren bonded by their Faith in Jesus as the Christ. Any and all outside of that Faith would be considered ‘unbelievers’ regardless of what kind of ‘religion’ they claim to abide by. That’s what I meant when I said Jewish unbelief is really no different than gentile unbelief, as both are destined for the same end result.
So close, and yet so far.
There are no Jewish “Born-Again Believers”-There are former Jews that were indoctrinated/conned by a Christian Conservative Group into converting from Judaism to Christianity.
Why? Muslims for Jesus doesn’t sound any stupider than Jews for Jesus. It’s less alliterative, though, so… Crescents for Christ!
Mainstream Christian and Jewish groups overwhelmingly agree that Jews For Jesus is nothing but a wolf in sheep’s clothing, deceptive to the core and false in all its teachings.
To my mind, the most bizzare part of the story is that God doesn’t expell Adam and Eve for the sin of disobedience - he expells them out of fear (specifically, that they would eat from the tree of life and become immortal - and so, presumably, a threat).
[Emphasis added]
Also, I wonder if the “one of us” implies multiplicity in Hebrew. In the translation, it sounds like God is talking to other Gods (rather than to himself). That makes it even wierder!
I agree, and I am unanimous in this!
I have no problem if someone wants to convert from one religion to another. False witness is another matter entirely.
Interestingly, there is a case of a Christian for Islam. An Episcopalian minister perceived similarities between Christianity and Islam, and adopted the Islamic faith: “Both religions say there’s only one God,” Redding said, “and that God is the same God. It’s very clear we are talking about the same God! So I haven’t shifted my allegiance.”
The imam at the Islamic Center in Seattle, Washington, where Redding prays said she brings the best of both traditions to her beliefs.
“Coming from an example of wanting to be Christ-like and coming from the perspective of wanting to follow the best example – the example of our prophet Mohammed – it all makes sense then,” Benjamin Shabazz said. The Christian minister was de-frocked. I’m ok with that, as one could argue that Redding shouldn’t be presenting Episcopalian orthodoxy while on this particular leg of her spiritual journey. Nonetheless, I understand that Islam is defined by the shahada: There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God. I don’t see a necessary conflict between that and the belief that Christ is our Savior. Jesus never claimed to be the only prophet. Mark 2:27: The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
That said, I would hope that Redding does not bear false witness by misrepresenting the beliefs of either Christian or Muslim.
Why would we ask them? They’re Christians, and we’re not looking for a Christian perspective on the role of Satan in the Old Testament, we’re looking for a Jewish perspective. The Jews who wrote the Bible didn’t see Satan as God’s “arch-nemesis.” The Jews who followed the Bible for centuries before the birth of Christ didn’t see Satan as God’s arch-nemesis. And for the past two thousand years since the birth of Christ, Jews haven’t seen Satan as God’s arch-nemesis. That there’s some small minority of born -again Christians who used to be Jews isn’t evidence of how the book has been interpreted within the culture that created it for the better part of the recorded history of human civilization. “Satan as arch-nemesis” is an explicitly Christian ideal that did not exist prior to the rise of Christianity as the dominant religion in Europe.
So, you pretty much ignore the majority of OT prophecies, then, since, in your odd view any unfulfilled prophecy was fiction.
OK by me.
Where in the OT is there any Prophesies of Jesus Or converting of the gentiles?
I wonder why an all knowing powerful just being would know ahead of time how things would turn out would be unhappy about what his own creation did when he created them with flaws, and knew the out come!
Perhaps not- but he was caught red-handed with it.
Yep. There were thousands and thousands of Jews that converted. Only they didn’t see Jesus as a "con-man. They saw Him as the Messiah. It was the jewish high priests - (The Pharisees) that saw Jesus as a sort of “con-man.”
LOL. A couple of basics for you to understand:
The word “jew” is not only characteristic of religious affiliation, but also of ethnicity.
Do you even understand what the word “Christ” means, and how it conflicts with the basic tenets of what Muslims believe?
That’s opinion, and has nothing to do with the fact that Jews convert to Christianity. You said they didn’t exist, which is a ridiculous statement.
She already did bear false witness the moment she opined that Christianity and Islam were compatible.
The opinion expressed here was that “The Satan” of the OT is a different character than that of the NT. However there is no evidence of that at all. But, there is evidence in the OT that Satan deceived Eve, resulting in the fall of mankind from the grace
of the “Most High,” and stood up against Israel - provoking King David. And again, Satan’s jealous nature - accusing Job of having a ‘conditional’ faithfulness in God.
Sounds like you pretty much ‘ignored’ what I actually said, and why?
Paul spoke of it in Romans 9:25/26
25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”
26 and,
“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”
Look in the OT - Hosea - to confirm the quote.
As for the coming of Christ, there’s countless prophecies in the OT. Google; OT prophecies about the Messiah’s coming.
It’s like viewing the Bible through a Crazy Straw. Wow.
Crescents for Christ makes as much sense as Jews for Jesus. You can LOL all you want.
Quote confirmed.
But this has nothing to do with any messiah.
God is talking about how Israel has lost his favor and that now Judah is his favorite.
Two different countries.
So, sorry. No go.
You are aware that the new cult did not catch on in Judea, right? How odd that the people closest to the so-called miracle were unimpressed. One of the historic justifications for anti-Semitism is that Jews must be evil for rejecting Christ.
Christ conflicts with Judaism just as much. Islam at least does not include the absurdity of a son of God, which is Roman and Greek, not from the actual Bible. Mohammed at least was a successful leader. Perhaps Christ’s last words were “I meant for this to happen. Really. Ow.”
You’ll give us a cite in the OT for this statement of course? Since my teachers, who could actually read Hebrew, seem to be unaware of it.
In fact this contention is totally ridiculous. First, if Satan did such a horrible thing, why were he and God so buddy buddy after it happened?
Second, while there is always the problem of holding two innocents with no knowledge of good and evil accountable for violating a rule, it is a bit less of a problem if they were fooled by a plain old snake rather than an immortal and powerful figure. If an adult cajoles a three-year-old into doing something wrong, do you punish the three-year-old forever?
Now, original sin is a great marketing tool. It is exactly the same as fly by night drug companies that make up diseases that people will decide they have and then buy their snake oil.
“Feel healthy? Plenty of pep? Don’t be fooled - you very likely have bonkus of the conkus! if you don’t take our pills now in 20 or 30 years you will inevitably lose your vigor! Act now!”
of course the Christianity scam is even better since you don’t know if you have a case of original sin until after you die.
A scam? Damn right it is a scam.