My sister posted on FB My cat was intensely interested in my baby bump while I was pregnant, but when my daughter was born, couldn’t care less about the baby. What a weird way to find out that your cat is a Republican.
(Full disclosure: my sister and many of her kids are allergic to cats, and she doesn’t have one. And it might have been posted by my BIL)
Only for married people.
I think that all of you bashing fundamentalist Christians on this subject forget that they are just trying to follow Jesus’s teachings on abortion. We all remember what Jesus said about that, right?
Yes, this. To the true right-winger, it’s crucial to restore God’s Righteous Hierarchy: white (straight, of course, and Christian, of course) men on top. Then other men who by definition are second-class citizens. Then the females they all own.
For a female to believe she has some right to make choices about her own body is Against God’s Law. Birth control, IVF, abortion—all these give females that false idea. Females need to learn that it is the decision of their owners to breed them and when to breed them and how many times to breed them.
For the females’ own protection, of course.
(It really is that ugly. Insecure men are capable of any cruelty, because they believe such cruelty and dehumanization will enable them to hide and/or assuage their own insecurity.)
OK, this made me laugh out loud.
My wife is Catholic, and I’m not. I have had some, well, interesting discussions with her family about abortion over the past 45 years.
It isn’t just the idea sex should be restricted to married people that informs some of their thinking but also that sex should only be for procreating.
Having sex for pleasure is evil and contraception makes it easier.
They didn’t think that was a good idea. As in not good for the unmarried woman, and probably not what she “really” wants.
When I was in college and grad school, I spent several years as a member of an Evangelical Christian campus organization. Based on what I saw from the people I knew there (both fellow students, and staff members with the organization), I don’t think that the above is a universally-held belief among them.
I knew several young married couples who very much enjoyed being able to have sex frequently, and were eager to tell others that they enjoyed the pleasure in sex with their spouses; I suspect that they saw it as a way to encourage singles within the organization to get married* (i.e., “you have this to look forward to!”) That said, even if they enjoyed sex, they certainly also recognized the procreative aspect of it.
*- This seemed to be one of the core things that the organization encouraged: they did a lot of matchmaking, through (chaperoned) mixers and parties, in order to get the student members to partner up, and start (chastely) dating, with an eye towards getting them married.
I believe abortion is the killing of a human life. Consequently, I think birth control should be freely available to anyone that wants it. Because the last think a logical pro-lifer should want is someone getting pregnant who does not want to be pregnant, since it follows that such a person is more likely to seek an abortion than someone who desires to get pregnant. Any other position on birth control is rooted in the desire to control, rather than the desire to minimize abortion.
I would agree that Evangelicals are more likely to encourage an active sex life within a marriage. Contraception like condoms and the pill are perfectly okay with them in my experience.
Not so much with the more conservative Roman Catholics. Rick Santorum has said sex for pleasure is a bad idea. Maybe this isn’t official church policy but there are definitely people who still look at it that way.
You’ve put way more thoughtful consideration into the consequences of this issue than the authors of the Project 2025 Initiative have.
The proto-documentary is preparing for it’s sixth series.
Stranger
To be fair, what he’s saying there is that sex that is simply for pleasure, and does not contain the other two elements that Catholics believe should be part of sex (the openness to procreation, and the “unitive” purpose – reinforcing the emotional bond between husband and wife), is a bad idea.
From the article you linked to:
Slight correction: Sex is not supposed to be enjoyable for the female. Ask conservative men if they enjoy sex and see what happens.
The Catholic Church doesn’t say sex for pleasure is bad, but it does hold that sex should 1) only take place within the bonds of marriage, and 2) it should always be open to the possibility of conception, so any artificial birth control is technically forbidden (“natural” birth control such as natural family planning is acceptable). It’s a policy that most Catholics seem to quietly not follow as far as I can tell.
They believe that abortion is equivalent to killing a child, and so is the destruction of fetuses by other means such as in IVF.
The premise is wrong, but the conclusion does logically follow from the premise. It really isn’t complicated.
Project 2025 says a lot of odious things, but that is not one I have heard yet. Cite?
Which I take to be a reference to Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and God’s law that you must deliver your disobedient child to be murdered by the town, if he’s disobedient to you.
This is probably the 2nd most common reason after actual opposition to abortion itself.
You are supposed to hold the Bible while pontificating, and not actually read it.
Christian here.
I believe abortion is murder. Its legal and I would not fight to make it illegal.
Women don’t really want to have sex just for the sake of it with lots of different men. Why? Hormones.
Sex isn’t just an activity, its joining yourself to another person spiritually.
Men do use women for sex. If its meaningless to women, I suggest they start charging for it.
No, I’m not going read any pit comments people want to post to me about this.
What I don’t understand is if its okay to kill your child because its not viable, why not continue that with people on life support or who are inconvenient for some reason.
I do wish there was easy, free birth control that was 100% successful.
This comment reflects a great deal of ignorance.