There isn’t much in life that is 100% successful, so demanding perfection concerning this one aspect seem to be extremely inconsistent.
That would be nice, but as noted, not possible.
There’s a concept called the “Iron Triangle,” which may have originated in computers, or in engineering, but which we use frequently in market research. The basic idea is, “fast, cheap, or good/accurate: you can have two out of the three.” In essence, any solution that is both fast and cheap is likely to have poor quality, while any solution that is fast and accurate won’t be cheap, etc.
“Easy, free, and 100% reliable” birth control is, in effect, an Iron Triangle problem.
Pretty much this. I read a study that showed that Catholics use birth control AND have abortions about the same as the general public. What is not permitted by the Holy Mother Church is essentially ignored by almost everyone.
The priesthood is about as celibate as you’d expect, as well.
But as to the OP, I believe this is a case of the dog catching the car. Most never expected Roe to be overturned, it was just a rallying cry.
I will just say that both of these statements are overly and unfairly broad generalizations, to the point of inaccuracy.
From talking to my parents, who are both pretty much single issue “pro-life” voters, it’s both abortion-is-murder and sexual puritanism.
Note that neither of them, in a time and place where you could be killed for it, abstained from premarital sex. But they are 100% in favor of raining hellfire on people who have sex outside marriage and for reasons other than procreation.
Yes, I have a huge family. My generation is 30 siblings and first cousins.
This cycle is repeating in my generation. Many people having enjoyed the looser sexual mores of the West after emigrating in their young adulthood, are now in their 50s and 60s very religious and very prudish about their kids!
Especially not the books of the Hebrew Bible, which have a lot of sex, lust, rape, incest, prostitution, and adultery, not always in a negative context. The Christian Old Testament abridges some of that but there is still some real horrowshow sexy-time stuff.
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I like the cut of your jib!
Interesting. If I thought something was murder, or the same as murder, I would fight to make it illegal.
Hey, did you know you could get pregnant and want an abortion after having sex just with a few men, or just one man? It’s true! It’s not the number of men that you have sex with that determines whether you will get pregnant.
Anyway, just wondering if there are any women on this Board that like to have sex just for the fun of it.
I did, when I was young, and unmarried. I also did when I was married. Seriously, hormones? How does that figure into whether you do it for pleasure? I’d hazard that hormones incline people, women to have sex for fun. Obviously some people’s mmv.
This is crazy talk!
Kidding, of course!
If I was your father, that’d certainly be the advisable response!
Remember, it takes a village to murder a child.
Hot take: people who think women don’t enjoy sex must not be very good at sex.
So, anyway, back to the OP, I imagine there are a few reasons:
- You think abortion is something like murder and is therefore wrong
- You think sex in general is wrong and should only be for procreation. So, sex for fun should come with consequences
- You want to control women’s sexuality
- You want to make sure poor people stay poor (since people with means will definitely find a way to get an abortion if they want one)
- Probably lots of stuff I haven’t thought of
The only thing I can think of for making abortion fully unlawful is for controlling women. Abortion should be between the woman, her doctor and her conscience. Nothing else matters imho.
That was Sr. Joan Chittester. She summed up for me what I had been thinking about efforts to ban abortion and CHIP, Medicaid, and other social servies that address children’s needs. Jesus did have something to say about that in Matthew 19:13-15, but that seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
- Aunt Dorothy is an adult who may have created a living will expressing her desires for how she wants her end of life to go.
2.,Aunt Dorothy being in a coma doesn’t threaten the life of anyone else, the way many non-viable fetuses threaten the life of the woman pregnant with them.
It’s to hurt, kill and control women, to demonize their opponents as “child killers”, and to justify right wing violence and tyranny in general. Malice to the core, like everything else the Right does.
Keep in mind that they’ve always felt that the woman is at fault. Women in the view of the religious right are the source of all evil and the entire point of pregnancy and childbirth is divine punishment them for the Sin of Eve. They oppose abortion in part for the same reason their predecessors opposed the use of painkillers during childbirth; because they consider it their moral duty to hurt women as much as possible.
If a woman dies in agony due to childbirth? It’s what she deserves for being a woman, and thus evil. “Every woman who dies is a victory for morality” as I saw it put once.
You cannot abolish abortion.
You can outlaw it. The point of enforcing anti-abortion laws is to reduce the number of abortions. We can argue over the motivation behind that goal, but that’s the goal and the point.
Unfortunately for the cause of reducing abortions, outlawing abortion has been, so far, even more of an own-goal than alcohol prohibition was:
Despite Bans, Number of Abortions in the United States Increased in 2023
I do not think this is a one-off for 2023. Outlawing abortion makes it a women’s rights issue, and women’s rights is a winner in the marketplace of ideas.
Personally, and not judging any individual abortion, I am pro-natalist and see a force to the idea that fetal life has value. But making this an issue of legal control was a mistake, just from the standpoint of reducing abortion. They should have stuck with moral suasion.
Not really, no. That’s why they don’t care about birth control, and why they don’t hesitate to get abortions themselves, or to force abortions on women when they find it convenient, or to let pregnant women die in agony. The “anti-abortion” movement is about hurting women, not abortion.
If abortion magically stopped tomorrow, they’d find some other club to beat women with because that is the point.
Yes. Non viable fetus’s that endanger the mothers life.
Thats why I don’t ever vote to make it illegal.
I just wish it were never necessary.