What is the proper presentation sequence of US Military organizations?

[Musicat]

Our local historical society is planning a US Veteran’s Day show, with WW2 vets on a live panel to tell their stories.

We plan to precede story time with a video presentation showing each service logo while playing the corresponding anthem, and we will ask any vets in the audience to stand when their song is played. I understand there is a proper sequence for each service, based on when they were created, but I can’t find any confirmation of this and the Coast Guard seems to be a problem, as it was re-corganized under Homeland Security.

Is this the correct sequence?[ul][]Army[]Marines[]Navy[]Air ForceCoast Guard[/ul]

[Sicks_Ate]

My first instinct was to say that the Navy came before the Marines.

But poking around a little bit, it looks like the US was without a Navy for a while in the late 1700’s, and the fouding of the current navy was 1790.

The US Coast Guard also claims a founding date of 1790.

From that, I’d say that the order should be Army, Marines, (both founded in 1775), Navy, Coast Guard (Navy wins by a couple months), Air Force.

If there’s an offical, ceremonial, order I don’t know it though.

[Musicat]

@Sicks_Ate

If there’s an offical, ceremonial, order I don’t know it though.

Some things are important to some people (not to me, but I don’t want to offend anyone!) so I’d better find out what the official word is.

The problem with the Coast Guard is it had a re-birth since 9/11, so I don’t know if the original date or the reorganization date is what counts.

[Musicat]

I just spoke to our local Veteran Service Officer, and he said there is an official sequence for flag presentation (left-right) but he wasn’t aware of one for anthems. He suggested googling for “Armed Forces Medley,” as they use whatever sequence the band has on their music during ceremonies.

The first 6 links found thru google each point to a different medley sequence. Some start with Coast Guard, and some even include “The Toast” along with the official Air Force song. So I guess it doesn’t matter all that much after all.

I think I’ll do them in the order of ascending keys.

[SanVito]

@Sicks_Ate

My first instinct was to say that the Navy came before the Marines.

But poking around a little bit, it looks like the US was without a Navy for a while in the late 1700’s, and the fouding of the current navy was 1790.

The US Coast Guard also claims a founding date of 1790.

From that, I’d say that the order should be Army, Marines, (both founded in 1775), Navy, Coast Guard (Navy wins by a couple months), Air Force.

If there’s an offical, ceremonial, order I don’t know it though.

This is going to make me feel stupid for asking, I’m sure, but how can you have the marines without a navy?

[friedo]

@Musicat

The problem with the Coast Guard is it had a re-birth since 9/11, so I don’t know if the original date or the reorganization date is what counts.

The Coast Guard is the same Coast Guard that it’s always been. They just get kicked around the bureaucracy from time to time.

[Sicks_Ate]

@SanVito

This is going to make me feel stupid for asking, I’m sure, but how can you have the marines without a navy?

Well, call me a poor scholar :eek: :

At the end of the American Revolution, both the Continental Navy and Continental Marines were disbanded in April 1783. The institution itself would not be resurrected until 11 July 1798.

United States Marine Corps

[Cheshire_Human]

Perhaps this will help:

United States order of precedence

[solosam]

(2) In accordance with DODD 1005.8, the order of performance (see para 2–5g(3), below) for Service songs is:

(a) Army: “The Army Goes Rolling Along.”
(b) Marine Corps: “The Marine’s Hymn.”
(c) Navy: “Anchors Aweigh.”
(d) Air Force: “Official U.S. Air Force Song.”
(e) Coast Guard: “Semper Paratus.”

-AR 220-90, Army Bands, Section II 2-5.g.1

ar220-90.pdf

[Sicks_Ate]

@solosam

((d) Air Force: “Official U.S. Air Force Song.”

Is that really what it’s called? Why don’t they just go all out and call it “Song, Official, U.S. Air Force”?

And props on the answer…

[solosam]

It’s on their property book. “Song, Official, 1 x EA.”

But, yeah, I’ve never heard it called anything else.

The part that has me scratching my head is that military cadets, in order of service precedence, precede all active duty members. Huh.

d10058p.pdf

[Jake]

solosam, shouldn’t it be “As Those Caissons go Rolling Along?”
I know, I know, Nitpicky.

[Jake]

Whoops! I just read that they changed the wording. My goof.

[Musicat]

@Cheshire_Human

Perhaps this will help:

United States order of precedence

Doesn’t seem to address my question.

@solosam

(2) In accordance with DODD 1005.8, the order of performance (see para 2–5g(3), below) for Service songs is:

(a) Army: “The Army Goes Rolling Along.”
(b) Marine Corps: “The Marine’s Hymn.”
(c) Navy: “Anchors Aweigh.”
(d) Air Force: “Official U.S. Air Force Song.”
(e) Coast Guard: “Semper Paratus.”

-AR 220-90, Army Bands, Section II 2-5.g.1

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/ar220-90.pdf

Yes! That’s what I was looking for (and it agrees with my first list). Thanks for the excellent research. Sometimes SDMB beats Google!

[johnpost]

the group that shows up with the most fire power goes first.

[Bookkeeper]

@solosam

It’s on their property book. “Song, Official, 1 x EA.”

But, yeah, I’ve never heard it called anything else.

The part that has me scratching my head is that military cadets, in order of service precedence, precede all active duty members. Huh.

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Maybe they’re considered to be the opening act, to be followed by the main show.

[Snnipe_70E]

@solosam

(2) In accordance with DODD 1005.8, the order of performance (see para 2–5g(3), below) for Service songs is:

(a) Army: “The Army Goes Rolling Along.”
(b) Marine Corps: “The Marine’s Hymn.”
(c) Navy: “Anchors Aweigh.”
(d) Air Force: “Official U.S. Air Force Song.”
(e) Coast Guard: “Semper Paratus.”

-AR 220-90, Army Bands, Section II 2-5.g.1

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/ar220-90.pdf

If that is the order then it is not by date.
The Army air corps was formed between WWI and WWII and the Air Force after WWII. The US Coast Guard started in the Treasury Department transfered to Navy Department during WWII. Transfered back to Treasury after WWII. And then transfered to Homeland Security after 9/11.

[Snnipe_70E]

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Our local historical society is planning a US Veteran’s Day show, with WW2 vets on a live panel to tell their stories.

We plan to precede story time with a video presentation showing each service logo while playing the corresponding anthem, and we will ask any vets in the audience to stand when their song is played. I understand there is a proper sequence for each service, based on when they were created, but I can’t find any confirmation of this and the Coast Guard seems to be a problem, as it was re-corganized under Homeland Security.

Is this the correct sequence?[ul][li]Army[]Marines[]Navy[]Air Force[]Coast Guard[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]

You left out what has sometimes called the 4th arm of defence. The Merchant Marine.

[Bullitt]

@solosam

(2) In accordance with DODD 1005.8, the order of performance (see para 2–5g(3), below) for Service songs is:

(a) Army: “The Army Goes Rolling Along.”
(b) Marine Corps: “The Marine’s Hymn.”
(c) Navy: “Anchors Aweigh.”
(d) Air Force: “Official U.S. Air Force Song.”
(e) Coast Guard: “Semper Paratus.”

-AR 220-90, Army Bands, Section II 2-5.g.1

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/ar220-90.pdf

The above order of precedence for the service songs is also the same for the service branches’ flags: United States Military Order of Precedence. This link also explains the bit about having a Marine Corps without having a Navy.

[Nava]

@SanVito

This is going to make me feel stupid for asking, I’m sure, but how can you have the marines without a navy?

By having infantry units which are trained to ship on and from ships while not having a permanent navy, but a drafted-as-needed one.