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Outbreak Studies on Raw Milk | CDC
Read about three CDC studies on raw milk outbreaks.
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Oh, I’ll take that Pepsi challenge any day of the week. When I tasted that milk it immediately reminded me of being a kid at the neighbor’s dairy farm. The difference is more than noticeable.
We drank raw milk for years, bought from a local farmer whose daughter/manager is a licensed dairy inspector. I don’t really buy any of the woo, but it tasted great.
We did this (four people) because I was curious, though at refrigerator temperature, and everyone correctly identified the raw milk as the better tasting. Of course, if you did this with four people who didn’t already like the rich flavor, that might not happen.
First off, it’s a known problem of consuming raw milk that it may be infected with Vibrio and other bacteria which can cause serious illness, and even death in rare cases. That’s no exaggeration at all. You’re playing Russian roulette when you drink it. A few minutes of Googling turns up several disturbing instances of dozens of schoolchildren and other tourists sickened by raw milk as part of a dairy tour. It doesn’t always happen, but it happens enough.
Second… there’s no special health benefit in consuming raw milk. Maaaaaybe it contains more vitamins than pasteurized milk. Maybe. But none of those vitamins are specific to raw milk, and they’re common enough that you’re already getting them abundantly from other parts of your diet.
Given that there’s zero proven benefit to raw milk, and a proven risk of illness from Vibrio and friends, and the widespread availability of pasteurized milk, from a health standpoint there’s every reason to avoid it and no reason to seek it out. Including for veterinary use, the risks are the same for human use.
The only reason we have a debate is that raw milk tastes really fantastic, far superior to pasteurized. It’s an incontrovertible fact. Pasteurization removes some very delicious flavors. And some people insist on their right to eat fantastic things even though it may seriously harm or kill them.
Some state regulatory bodies have come up with (IMO) a good compromise by allowing raw milk to be sold, but it must be dyed grey. People who seek the flavor (or who believe it’s better for their pets) can get what they want, and there’s no risk of raw-milk fans “accidentally” serving it to schoolchildren without their knowledge or consent.
The smooth and creamy part is from not being homogenized. You can buy non homogenized milk at many stores, usually by the Qt in glass bottles, costing twice as much+.
The taste part if from being really fresh.
Non pasteurized milk has no health benefits, and some risk. From a Qt once a month, the risk is small.
Everyday drinking and the risk is no longer small.
The Amish have smaller herds, don’t mix their milk with those a a million other cows in giant trailer trucks, and give their cows better individual attention. And you do not usually die from Salmonella.
Since I wrote about Lactose Intolerance at the Planet Lactose blog, I’ve needed to do dozens of articles on raw milk. I’ve picked out some of the major pieces. They’re all about a decade old, but I know of nothing that would make me think that the reality has changed.
If you don’t want to click, the short answer is that while raw milk can taste better, it is a gamble whether the farm can avoid all the diseases that can strike even well-maintained herds.
### Another Denunciation of Raw Milk
And one that covers a lot of history: Raw Milk Not for Lactose Intolerants
Sure, as it was fresher and in a glass bottle. And as he said the temp was part of it.
I drank mink straight from the cow at the farm- I did not like it. Once refrigerated so it was cold, it was fine.
Did you compare it with non-homogenized milk or normal grocery store milk? Non-homogenized milk does taste different.
I do not think that is a fact. The issue is more homogenization, not pasteurization.
I thought that he compared it to Pepsi.
I do not think that is a fact. The issue is more homogenization, not pasteurization.
Here’s a a scientific abstract that explains why you’re wrong.
On the other hand, if you did double-blinded taste tests of raw whole milk and pasteurized whole milk at the same (warmish) temperature, I’m not convinced that most people could distinguish the two.
The difference in taste is subtle, but it’s there. Pasteurization gives milk a slightly cooked flavor, similar to boiled milk but very faint. Other than that, the only differences in taste are due to milkfat content variation.
Did you compare it with non- homogenized milk or normal grocery store milk? Non- homogenized milk does taste different.
I’ve tried, at various times, raw milk from two sources, non-homogenized milk from two supermarket brands, and dozens of ordinary brands of homogenized pasteurized milk. Also, when i was a kid, i went to a camp that got fresh milk twice daily from a herd of Guernsey cows a couple miles away. I believe it was pasteurized, but i suppose i don’t actually know. It was homogenized. At least, i never noticed it separating, and i do notice that when we buy unhomogenized milk.
Hands down, the two best-tasting milks were the fresh Guernsey milk and one of the two unpasteurized milks. Both are just tons better than ordinary milk. Richer, creamier, and fresher-tasting.
The other unpasteurized milk was middle-of-the-pack. As are the unhomogenized milks. (Unless you cheat and pour off too much cream.)
I’m pretty sure the difference is a combination of the freshness and having a higher butterfat content.
I love good milk. (I love okay milk, but i love good milk more.) I’ll be buying unpasteurized milk the next time I’m near the place that sells the good stuff. Alas, it’s not close to home.
Oh, all of those milks were consumed chilled, at comparable temperatures. I’ve never had milk straight from the cow, at body temp.
That article compares 2% pasteurized milk to 2% pasteurized milk.
The difference is only the temp of the pasteurization and how many days it has sat.
Consumers preferred 79°C milk over other treatments on d 0; however, at d 6 postpasteurization, 79 and 82°C milks were preferred over the 77°C treatment. …This research reveals that altering the pasteurization temperature from 79°C may cause a decrease in consumer acceptability to some consumers.
Homogenization, whole vs 2%, and lack of pasteurization is not part of the study at all.
By no means does this article show that unpasteurized milk tastes better than pasteurized milk.
What it shows that high temp pasteurization does somewhat effect taste to the detriment on milk day 1, but that after 6 days, high temp pasteurization milk is preferred.
There is a radical taste difference between homogenized and nonhomogenized milk. Very fresh milk is tastier. And glass bottles seem to effect taste. Higher butterfat of course tastes better.
Once those four variables are controlled, there could be a small difference in taste, sure. But when most people say “wow this unpasteurized milk tastes better!” they are mostly tasting- nonhomogenized, fresher, higher butterfat, and glass bottled milk.
and yes, as the below quotes indicate-
Other than that, the only differences in taste are due to milkfat content variation.
Milk fat is a major difference also.
I’m pretty sure the difference is a combination of the freshness and having a higher butterfat content.
Yes.
There is a radical taste difference between homogenized and nonhomogenized milk.
If you’re drinking the higher fat portion of the bottle, yes.
Yes, good point.
We can all agree that my former classmate who bought unpasteurised milk and kept it in the cupboard was a flaming loon though, right? He had a fridge in the house, just refused to use it.
I’ve had unpasteurised milk produced onsite for their own use by a little alternative community I was staying with, the sort of place where they produced almost all their own food, and the cows all had names- It did taste pretty amazing. I guess that hadn’t been refrigerated either, but it had only been out of the cow an hour or so- someone dropped some round to every house fresh every morning.
I have been known to drink raw maple sap, but it’s from the trees in my own yard. And mostly I do boil it thoroughly before consuming. But it’s so cool and refreshing on an early spring day fresh from the tap that I can’t resist.
So, to sum up- I have no doubt that the unpasteurized milk tasted better- but mostly as it was higher butterfat (probably 20% higher), days fresher, in a glass bottle, and not homogenized.
The Amish have smaller herds, don’t mix their milk with those a a million other cows in giant trailer trucks, and give their cows better individual attention. And you do not usually die from Salmonella.
I don’t know of any raw milk going into container trucks, it’s sold right at the farm.
As for homogenization in my own test, we always shake the bottle quite a bit before we drink it.
And yet the Amish are not dying off from milk related disease.
Deaths are rare, in part because drinking raw milk is rare. The risk of outbreaks associated with raw milk is ~150x that of pasteurized milk.
More numbers here:
Read about three CDC studies on raw milk outbreaks.