When in fact I never said that. And if you don’t see the difference between a zero calorie artificial sweetener and HFCS then go away. You have nothing to contribute to the discussion except insults and contrary attacks.
My point here is to illustrate to you that you are using words without defining them, and then attacking people for daring to disagree with you. Until we agree on a definition we will never reach a rational conclusion.
And you said you wanted a rational discussion? You are overreacting to a great degree here, not to mention playing fast and loose with the facts for dramatic effect in order to score points. I have not lost my cool, and you’re stamping around like a child.
Want rational? Be rational.
If you define “overeating” as eating more calories than you spend, then someone who overeats would be gaining weight.
A 700 lb man who maintains that weight is, by definition, not gaining weight and is therefore not overeating.
That 700 lb man is consuming the calories needed for a 700 lb man to stay at 700 lb and so he is eating the right amount for that weight.
The above statement does not consider whether he should be at 700 lbs, but it is still true.
You’re being specious, over-the-top pedantic, and apparently projecting ridiculous behaviors onto me. You have no argument besides word definitions, and it’s a pretty flimsy one that requires acrobatics. In other words: you’re just dicking around. Goodbye.
Yes, it is technically “true”, while also completely missing the point. It’s argument for show.
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Labrador Deceiver, please focus on attacking the argument, not the person making it. This is IMHO. Thank you.
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You said it wasn’t food. Then, in post #86, you claimed they weren’t digestible. Also, I’d like an explanation as to why I shouldn’t compare HFCS to aspartame.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I’m pretty sure that’s what I did.
insanely constrictive? Not to derail this thread into a typical BMI cluster but 140 pounds is a low number for a male (making an assumption that you are male) you would have to be 5’4" tall to get a BMI of 24.8. But if you indeed were 5’4" tall then 140 pounds would make you a husky little guy 
An average male at 5’10" tall and 160 pounds would have a BMI of 23 which seems reasonable to me.
I am 5’9" tall and 154 pounds which puts me at 22.7 which is pretty middle of the road BMI wise. I am NOT skeletal at all. I am fairly athletic, more of a runners body muscular wise. If I was more of a body builder and huskier yes it would indicate I was overweight–but then again if I was a body builder I would know that I couldn’t use that chart as those guys tend to be pretty damn good at understanding their bodies.
I realize that BMI is not the end all but in my *opinion *it is a good starting point for a discussion with your doctor about your health. The portion of the population that it doesn’t fit (bodybuilders, athletes, etc.) know where they fit within the health spectrum. But again in my opinion for the average person it is a good indicator and a stepping off point to do further research. Then finding out your body fat percentage, etc seems the next logical course-but to dismiss it as insanely restrictive seems misguided at best.
I think that at least part of the reason is because Diet Coke is the only available diet drink at many venues, as stated earlier. If you go to many restaurants, that’s the only diet soda. Some restaurants have coffee and tea, but a lot don’t. In fast food places, take a look at the soda fountains. There’s Diet Coke, and nothing else available. People get used to the notion of drinking this one brand.
I have no idea how it tastes. I rarely drink sodas, and when I do, I don’t drink colas. I just don’t care for the taste, and I can’t handle the caffeine. The diet sodas that I’ve tried taste horrid, so mostly I drink water. For that matter, when I’ve tried regular sodas lately (sometimes I need to get my blood sugar up quickly), I don’t care for most of them. Maybe I’ve lost my taste for them.
A sugared can of soda is about 150 calories. Two sugared sodas a day is 2,100 calories per week. So, by drinking these sugared sodas alone, you are essentially taking in 8 days worth of calories in a 7 day week. In other words, just drinking that much sugared soda is like eating 8 days a week in only 7 days.
If you know you are already taking in too many calories in a week, why not mitigate the damage by switching to diet? Why add that 2,100 calories from soda when it’s one of the easiest things to avoid?
After the switch, sugared sodas usually taste too sweet and sugary anyway.
So the guy who eats the Big Mac with a diet soda perhaps consumes 21,000 calories a week but has simply decided to drink diet because he doesn’t want to consume 23,100 calories per week that he would get if he drank regular soda.
Boy, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
I’m currently doing Weight Watchers (and down 14 pounds in 7 weeks, thank you very much). So yes, I’m overweight – technically obese by my BMI. One of the things WW encourages is “Don’t drink your calories.” Hence we try to drink calorie-free drinks and save our points for other, more filling things. I prefer water, but will have a diet soda if I want sweet and fizzy for a treat. I used to drink Coke almost exclusively, but now it’s too “expensive” points-wise.
Also, we have a daily points allotment (which is higher the more you weigh, and drops as you lose weight) as well as 35 “weekly points” that we can use however we want – we can divvy them up into 5 extra points per day, or we can save them up for, say, a party, a night of bar hopping, or one scrumptious dinner. So it’s conceivable that you might see me, a fat person, in a restaurant having a diet soda with my fettucine alfredo (probably 25-35 points for a typical restaurant serving). Yes, I am eating a high-calorie meal with a diet soda. But I’m going to be living on salads and broccoli the rest of the week to compensate. And I’m perfectly within my plan to do that, and I’m still likely to lose weight.
I sure wish people who are so obsessed with what fat people are eating in public would just mind their own business.
Most folks prefer the taste of Diet Coke. I know I do.
No. Most folks are TOLD (by Coke’s massive advertising team) that they prefer it.
I have done blind taste tests with the diet versions of coke and pepsi, along with generic diet colas. NOT ONE PERSON could identify which was which and the die-hard coke people listed the pepsi as “their cola” just as often as the pepsi fans did the same with coke.
It’s all marketing folks. All for a can of artifically sweetened caramel coloured fizzy water.
I think he was saying that he prefers it to the taste of regular soda, with sugar. A lot of people in this thread have said they prefer it.
Blood sugar levels.
One 12 oz.can of Coke and it sky rockets.
One 2-liter bottle of Diet Coke and it flat lines.
I’m not even going to get into the issues other posters have against me for what I already said, and your post is the reason.
Do you really believe that a 700lb man is not overeating? Do you believe him to be healthy? You HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Why bother with the other posts when they’re all in denial like yours.
Define the term, “overeating”. Maybe you have your own definition.
If he’s not gaining weight, he is by definition not eating above maintenance calories (which is a technical term). Eating more than maintenance calories is one definition of overeating.
Maintaining a 700lb body requires unhealthy amounts of eating. Dancing around that is nothing but sophistry.
But didn’t he have to overeat to get up to 700 pounds? At what point does it stop being overeating? After he’s stayed at x calories for a week? A month? A year?