You want them both on your side when the Alien Outer Gods try to take over though, I think?
I’m not convinced they aren’t the Alien Outer Gods.
FQ should be abolished. It’s a mess. Most of the questions are answered anecdotally or with personal experience and opinions. Including the mods. Or the question is fantastical and out of this world and literally calls for speculation but the mods can’t see the difference.
Get rd of it.
@chela, if you feel that way, it’s probably better to open an ATMB thread about it. From my perspective, I see several FQ threads opened on political issues (we have one right now) where the OP wants the factual answer, without the editorializing or political arguments of a P&E thread. Sometimes people want to know what an existing law/treaty -IS- rather than argue about what it should be.
There are other options like they leave it open and you don’t ever read the posts there.
I mean, I get it. When I saw the thread title, I thought I was going to end up having to explain how orbital height is not the same as actually being in orbit, and that if you “drop” something from the ISS, it’ll just continue in orbit. That’s a fairly typical sort of misunderstanding.
But then I read the actual post, and it was clear that the OP already knew that, and that something at the ISS’s height, but stationary, was what he was actually asking about. And that’s something that @Stranger_On_A_Train 's post completely disregarded.
Here? Good luck with that. It’s hard to ask for a tuna noodle casserole recipe here without someone jumping in with “Trump is worse than Hitler …”
I thought it would be about the slight amount of atmospheric drag even at that altitude.
I get useful information from FQ all the time. We still have so many experts on so many things. Maybe you should just mute the forum.
Stranger can say something in a thousand word dissertation that could have been a couple of sentences. Just baffle them with bullshit. I do not agree with this pitting of Chronos, he is the only one who dares to challenge him.
Hey, there’s a world of difference between what people want and what they should expect. If everyone automatically and rigidly kept to the rules of the various forums, it would be easier. Probably less interesting, but easier. And of course, people can and should flag examples like the one offered @Saint_Cad. But if Chela seriously believes FQ as a forum is mortally wounded, then she should make her case to the whole board in ATMB.
There are times I read an OP too fast and answer something different than what they actually asked for. Nobody has ever responded to me, “Way to avoid answering the question.”
Stranger can say something in a thousand word dissertation that could have been a couple of sentences.
I thought I was the only person who found his signal-to-noise ratio to be particularly low (much of the time).
Strangest
You’re not. I called it “drivel” recently but got a mod…uh, talking-to…for it. But that’s what it is. It’s like a prank gift where you wrap the thing inside a thing, inside another thing, inside another thing…
But then I read the actual post, and it was clear that the OP already knew that, and that something at the ISS’s height, but stationary, was what he was actually asking about. And that’s something that @Stranger_On_A_Train 's post completely disregarded.
And if you’d actually responded to my post by pointing that out, that would have been useful. Instead, you responded with a needlessly snarky, “Way to avoid answering the question,” as if I’d had an assignment and was evading responding to it. And frankly, if this was just an occasional incidence, I would take it for just an attempt at a bit of banter that didn’t land right, or just having a bad day and randomly lashing out, but the pattern of responding to my posts by incessantly trying to prove that I’m wrong or ill-informed is so persistent––to the extent that when I see you’ve responded to a post I made I can all but guarantee that it is some effort to ‘debunk’ me––that it clearly stems from some resentment or grievance. You even get so relentless at it that you’ll repeatedly do so in serial fashion (examples: here, and here, and more recently here) and often persist in doing so until another poster comes along and points out that you are in error.
I don’t have any problem with someone pointing out when I make an error or misstate sometime (as @dtilque did in that thread); I make mistakes or misinterpret things all the time and especially when I’m responding to a post and don’t take the time to do a throughout copyediting for clarity or forget to fact-check a statement that really should be verified. Often I’ll acknowledge a check with an affirmation (especially if it was a significant blunder), or make a clarifying statement if I thought it was a result of confusion. But your relentless pattern of trying to ‘correct’ me, even when my statement is obviously not wrong is indicative of some sense of injustice. I’m not expecting any kind of change of behavior or apology; I’m just curious as to what it is I did or wrote that got so stuck in your craw as to justify such an absurd, irritating campaign.
Stranger can say something in a thousand word dissertation that could have been a couple of sentences. Just baffle them with bullshit.
I don’t get paid by the word so I write at the level of detail I think is appropriate to answer to the question or address the issue. But then, you aren’t in any way obligated to read all or any of my posts, so it would seem like your best option would just be to ignore them entirely. Unless, of course, your intent is just to find something to bitch about.
Stranger
I would agree Chronos tends to approach a conversation as if he’s spotted the one and only factual answer and then doesn’t fruitfully engage when it’s pointed out that (a) there are multiple answers, or (b) he’s answering a question not asked, or (c) he’s so invested in making his own point that he can’t apprehend other points being made. It’s not a good combination of behaviors for a mod.
And yes, reading through a few of Stranger’s links I do agree Chronos has a weird habit of misinterpreting posts and taking weird shots at the misinterpretation (and I’ve noticed him doing that to other posters too).
Oh dear. Attempts to pour oil on troubled waters don’t seem to be working very well.
I guess all the rest of us can do is duck for cover and stay out of the fallout zone….
You are not.
By the way, I am quite prepared to believe that both of them are very competent in their professional fields.
But they both seem to suffer from a touch of ‘expert overreach’ syndrome: the tendency to feel that because they are expert in one area, they are qualified to give expert opinions on rather unrelated subjects.
There is a rather nice obscure word for this: ‘ultracrepidarianism’. ![]()
I try to avoid the habit myself (perhaps not always successfully?) I’m a very good programmer and electronic engineer, and I like to think I have a broad knowledge of science and technology. But I try to remember to do some research before posting on technical subjects….
But they both seem to suffer from a touch of ‘expert overreach’ syndrome: the tendency to feel that because they are expert in one area, they are qualified to give expert opinions on rather unrelated subjects.
Very much so. Although I have to give props to @Chronos when he discusses my area of expertise. His posts about modern manufacturing are always spot on.
I’m sometimes guilty of that, too. And i really enjoy posts from both Chronos and Stranger. I didn’t realize there was bad blood between them until now. It makes me sad.