What Koran verses can peace loving muslims use to support their beliefs?

I’ve seen plenty of quotes from the Koran that appear, at least on the surface, to support violence against unbelievers and enemies of Islam. As a person who truly wants there to be peace between the West and the Islamic world, I’ve been discouraged by what I’ve seen. I’ve recently started reading the Koran to see if I can “put it into context.”

I really, really don’t want to have to agree with the fundamentalist Christian nutjobs that are burning the Koran. If there’s any possible to way that the Koran can be used to foster peace, I’d like to see it shouted from the roof tops.

What verses from the Koran can a peace loving muslim use to support his beliefs? Is there anything equivalent to the Christian admonition to “turn the other cheek”?

The problem you run up against is in the interpretation. This, from National Geographic, is what you usually hear:

So, what does it mean to “spread mischief in the land”? Is bringing Bibles into Afghanistan “spreading mischief”?

I posted this link in another currently active thread.

There are indeed some verses in the Koran that sound very liberal, tolerant and peaceful. The trouble is, there are other verses that contradict them. And, using the well-established “doctrine of abrogation” it can seriously be argued by militant Muslims that the liberal, tolerant verses have actually been “abrogated” or repealed by later, more intolerant verses.

Two of the wild cards that make it almost impossible to answer your question in any brief manner are the doctrine of abrogation in the Koran, and the problem of interpretation.

The doctrine of abrogation is not something I made up. It is a well-known concept in Islam. See this articleor google it yourself.

One thing you should know about the Koran is that the Surahs are not organized in chronological order but according to length, with the longest first.

It is believed that many of the more tolerant and peace-loving verses were “revealed” to Mohammed when he was first in Mecca, relatively weak and the head of a small, struggling sect. The militant, warlike verses that abrogate them date from after his flight to Medina and from a period when he had become a powerful warrior-prophet able to strike down his enemies.

This is fully admitted by many Islamic scholars who compare abrogation to a doctor who changes the prescription according to the condition of the patient. A weak Mohammed received “tolerant” verses. When he was stronger, Allah gave him warlike verses to replace them.

I will give one rather long example. Multiply that by 1000 and you will get an idea how impossible it is to discuss Koranic interpretation rationally with a devout Muslim. It is like shadow-boxing with Jello.

For example, there is a verse often quoted by Muslims who want to show that Islam is not an agressive, intolerant warrior cult, that says “There is no compulsion in religion.” (Sorry, I do not have the exact Surah and verse numbers for that one).

There is also what sounds like a very open-minded attitude towards Christians and Jews in Surah 2, verse 62, which says: “Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians, - Any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”

Sounds pretty broad-minded, at least towards other monotheists, right? But then, how do you square this with Surah 3:85?:

“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).”

Also contradicting the concept of tolerance is Surah 9, verse 29, which says:

“Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

By the way, for those of you who insist on context in every case, look at verses 30 and 31 that follow the above verse and you will see that it the Koran is quite certainly speaking of the treatment of Jews and Christians here.

The “tribute” referred to is a special tax (jizya) that had to be paid by Christians and Jews in Muslim lands for right not to become Muslims. These people were called Dhimmi and if you research that term in Wikipedia you will find the interesting quote: “It is claimed that Dhimmis, unlike the Jews and Muslims of reconquered Spain, did not have to choose between apostasy, exile and death. However, the choice of death or conversion was often the de facto reality for those Dhimmi who could not afford to pay the jizya, many of whom faced death or torture because their impoverished circumstances did not allow them to pay.”

Those who did pay the tax were subjected to a tax-collection ritual in which the Muslim tax collector grabbed them by the beard and slapped their face as he collected the tax, as part of the ritual of ensuring they were “brought low”. Cordoba, Spain, after which the ground-zero mosque is to be named, witnessed many such atrocities in this alleged city of interfaith harmony.

So now, interpretation kicks in. For example, how is it possible for 78% of Pakistani Muslims (PEW Research) to say that apostates from Islam should be killed if there is “no compulsion in religion”? Simple!

Being humiliated, slapped, and extra-taxed do not “compel” you to join Islam, now do they? If you join, you join “voluntarily” even if there was a lot of “incentive”.

But what about murdering people who choose to leave Islam? How can that be “No copulsion in religion”? Simple! You can either claim that the earlier, tolerant verse about compulsion was “abrogated” or else you can claim that the verse still stands, but that it simply means you cannot be forced to enter Islam. But attempting to leave Islam is not covered by the “no compulsion” verse.

Sorry for this long-winded answer, but hopefully, you will see how difficult it is to accurately answer the question in the OP.

If you judge Islam by its history and by the vast number of warlike verses in the Koran, the long and the short of it is that Islam is a warrior-cult founded by a warrior-prophet that believes in the concept of holy war and violence to bring the whole world to the worship of Allah. If Islam can be spread without violence (eg. the Muslim birth-rate in Europe), sine. But war and violence are never ruled out. It is an ideology that rejects all concepts of secular freedom and the rights of the individual as we understand them in the west. Moderate Muslims are usually simply lukewarm or lapsed Muslims who still pay lip service to the religion of their parents.

All of them.

That’s the wonder of interpretation.

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Okay, so I looked up three well-known “peaceful” verses from that source. The problem is, what do they mean in real-life situations?

Here are the verses.

“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, and do not transgress; for Allah loveth not transgressors.” (Surah 2, Verse 190).

“But if they cease (fighting you), Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Surah 2, Verse 192).

“But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things).” (Surah 8, Verse 61).

So how would one apply those three verses to the foundation of a Jewish State in the Middle East, for example? What has been the real history of Muslim reaction to Israel, as opposed to the pious wishes in these verses.

Who are “those who fight you”? The French Government banning face veils? The US invading Afghanistan to force out the Taliban?

As has been mentioned, it depends on who’s doing the interpreting. The OP wanted to know:

What verses from the Koran can a peace loving muslim use to support his beliefs?

The link I posted not only provided the verses you mentioned, but it provided justifications some Muslims use to support that Islam is a peaceful religion.

One other thing to consider is that the OP is implicitly assuming that The Koran = Islam. IANAM, so how true is that assumption? I honestly have no idea.

This page has a good examination of the issue:

Islam : Is it a religion of violence or of peace

It isn’t. The many, varoius and oft contradictory haddiths (gathered sayings of M) are part of the explicit context used to interpret the Koran.

The Koran is not equivalent to the Bible in at least two ways.

First - in and of itself it is a holy object.

Second - guidance in interpretation comes from context which in turn means from the divine life of the perfect man - eg The Prophet gathered in the haddiths.

And this is where the doctrine of abrogation comes from.

So M was for alcohol and then against it. And for those sects that take the D o A as a guide then the later Sword Verses can be said to invalidate the earlier peaceful stuff (the context for those being when M had to play nice with other religions as he and his followers were in a weak position.)

You don’t really have to try all that hard to construct an ideology of hate from the Koran and the life of the Prophet if that is what you want to do. And given that M was simply not a man of peace when he did not have the whip hand I say you have to work a lot harder to construct an ideology of peace from it. Especially as Islam considers itself not one of the words of God but the last, superior word.

BUT - having said all that - this is just ideological superstructure. If it wasn’t Islam that terrorists construct a mobilising ideology of hate from it’d be something else. It is very much the failure of nationalism in the Middle East (where all it led to was brutal western-backed dictators like the Shah, Saddam, the House of Saud etc) that opened the door to extreme ideologies such as Wahhibism (paid for and spread to this day on wings of cash provided by our friends the Sauds)

It’s circumstance that creates grievances, real or imagined, not the ideology.

Yet now the ideological use of Islam has become the hearts and minds battlefield and so it is more important than ever not to tar everyone with the same brush. We should be openly encouraging and aiding a Sufi Ground Zero mosque not pretending all Islam is the same evil monolith.

All that does is make it seem the terrorists are right - the West is at war with ‘Islam’.

The Qur’an says there will be wine in heaven, but I don’t think it says anywhere that alcohol is okay before dying and going to heaven (is it in hadith?). Some Muslims also use a passage as evidence that the wine in heaven is not an intoxicant.

You have to wonder at the interpretations on that site given this little gem at the bottom of page 3. While most likely truthful, it completely ignores how Islam itself expanded.