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Proctor & Gamble and Staples have already pulled their advertising from his show. Several other sponsors are “mulling over their options.” He’s toast. Retire semi-gracefully and go enjoy yourself, Imus. Nobody is going to pay to advertise on your show for quite a long time.
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I think he’ll come out of this, but if you’re right and he is toast, the satellite companies will snatch him up in a heartbeat. The uncensored satellite channels.
Imus thinks of himself as a cowboy, a ruff, rugged old west rancher. Mark my words there is no way he is going down like this…no way. He’ll squeak through, salvage whatever he’s got left for a few more years and then be done with it. But no way Al Sharpton and Jesse are going to see him retire or get fired over this.
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This does seem like hate speech. This is not “Kike” or “Nigger” or a variety of other epithets. This is the more mundane inappropriateness.
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Mike Greenberg on ESPN radio had a good point this morning. He said the worst thing about this was how out of left field it came. It was a backhanded, throw away comment about an innocent women’s basketball team that had never done anything bad to anyone. Greenberg said its one thing to make snide comments about the rich and powerful, but to take a backhanded swipe at an innocent women’s basketball team, who’s worst public act has been to lose a championship game and not look glamourous and beautiful while doing so, is completely uncalled for.
If he’s really sorry, I think he should stop apologizing, meet with the Rutgers players, and take his lumps for a while. He was right to apologize, but the apologies seem less sincere the more often he gives them.
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Retire semi-gracefully and go enjoy yourself, Imus. Nobody is going to pay to advertise on your show for quite a long time.
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Then wouldn’t satellite radio make sense? I am sure someone else will hire him if he gets fired.
The New York Times has run some very interesting articles about Imus in the Morning the last few days. According to their sources, the show is very valuable - it makes a lot of money for CBS, and MSNBC can produce it cheaply while using it to promote its other shows. I think they’ll do anything they can to hold on to it.
I think he should just ignore it, shut up for about a week, wait for the story to go cold, and just pick up where he left off.
The media usually drops these thing just as fast as they pick them up and Americans attention span for headlines gives each story it’s 15 minutes of fame.
Give it another 7 days and nobody will be talking about it anymore.
Nobody will care.
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No one’s suggested suicide yet? C’mon, this is Imus!
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OK, yes, as a radio executive I think the man should climb to the top of the nearest radio tower and take a swan dive. But that’s just me.
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There is nothing that he can say or do that will ever allow him to be redeemed in the eyes of many.
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He’s not interested in redemption. He’s interested in being paid for acting as the angry mouthpiece of a bunch of cackling knobs.
The sponsors are bailing out now, because it’s too hot. But somebody, somewhere, will be willing to act as check-writer for this craggy-ass goon before too much more time has passed. It’s the American way.
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One of these days, I hope that a celebrity engaged in one of these gaffes (actually, I don’t think gaffe is the right word. Imus knew what he was saying) takes the opportunity to delve into the issue of racism. Imus, like Michael Richards, Mel Gibson, etc. etc. claims he isn’t a racist person, has Black friends, and so on. So why are so many seemingly nonracist people caught up in these shenanigans? Make a documentary. Discuss your own experience grappling with race. Use your celebrity to make others aware of this latent racism that seems to be so pervasive in America today.
I don’t know if Imus has the temperament, ability, or interest in such a project. But I would actually respect someone who committed to that kind of analysis of their behavior.
I think we need a 12-step program for racism.
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I can’t see him doing a documentary because that would require deep soul searching and in my opinion he’s too insecure to withstand the inspection. However, I could see him overhauling his format and having some really great guests on. Why intelligent people flock to him like piranhas on a pig carcass is beyond me, but he definitely has the ability to draw the best voices to the conversation.
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Mike Tyson isn’t paid to talk. He’s paid to fight. And everyone knows he’s a crazy man.
Imus is paid to talk and communicate to a diverse audience. He doesn’t have a crazy schtick, but a well-spoken, intelligent, sometimes humorous one. When his schtick gets him into trouble, that means he’s not doing his job well. No one should have to forgive a guy who’s doing a bad job.
And why should anyone forgive a guy like Tyson? His hate-filled tirade offended me and did nothing to improve race relations in this country that is well rife with people that go around treating others like crap because they don’t like the other person’s skin color. I don’t see what difference it makes if one person is a “paid” talker and the other one isn’t. The fact is that we all know that $$$ makes life a lot more comfortable … and so because Tyson was a full-grown man knowing EXACTLY what he was doing – vilely using racial insults AND threatening people that were of the very race that so generously afforded him all the wealth and opportunities he got (and squandered!) – doesn’t in my book mean that he gets a free pass to conduct himself the way he did!
It seems like people keep bending over backwards trying to find a double-standard here. Imus isn’t Mike Tyson. He’s not a gangster rapper. He’s a reputable talk show host, so he should be compared to other talk show hosts. If Oprah called a group of dignified white women “stringy-haired, white-trash whores” and she had a history of making similar comments, you better believe her job would be on the line.
Oh really? How many times has the clever darling of the Liberal media made it a point thoughout her career as a TV host to bludgeon the collective American psyche with that oh-so-clever snake-in-the-grass phrase, “people of color”? Anyone with eyes and a half of brain matter knows full well that she and others of her ilk use it for the purpose of driving a wedge between Caucasians and nonCaucasians! But she gets away with it because, well, she’s OPRAH WINFREY!
I could give you many other examples about this two-faced phony, but for the moment I’ll just stick with this racist phrase so you’ll get a better idea of what I’m talking about.
Back during the time of the LA riots, I was surfing my TV channels when I happened upon the Arseniel(sp?) Hall Show. He, Mr. Hall, was standing in the studio audience next to a VERY upset Korean lady. Now as you’ll recall, during those tragic days many Korean-owned stores and shops were burned down by (mostly) angry blacks.
And so there was this fake human being, Hall, with his arms around said lady, when he warmly said to her, “Tell our TV audience what you just told our studio audience when we were on break.” So the lady (shill??) looked into the camera and, with much hate, said, “Why do people of color have to hate each other just because of whites?!”!
Yeah! THAT’s the kind of crap that many so-called “legitimate” high-profile people in the media are up to – playing a racist game with the power that their far-reaching cameras give them, while acting like they’re racial “peace makers”!
And not to beat the point to death, another example was the time I saw Winfrey say on her show – and this is verbatim – “People of color have to do the job 10 times better than others in order to get the same credit”!
What crap! Why didn’t she be less coy about it and just say that the billion-plus $$ she has (reportedly) in her bank account shows that the white people in this country are holding her down and being racist towards her!!!
Please, please, please don’t for a moment think that I’m not hip to what this woman is about; TOTAL phony through and through!
White people aren’t the victims here, nor is Imus. He didn’t make a mistake or an innocent gaff. He said something purposefully offensive and now he’s facing the consequences for that stunt. Just like any of us would, if we were in his place. He isn’t owed forgiveness or redemption just because HE says he’s a good guy. Anyone can claim inherent goodness, but that doesn’t make it so.
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“White people aren’t the victims …”? I beg to differ. People like Imus, Jackson, Winfrey, Koppel, et al., DO create victims with their racial crap! If you don’t believe me then I suggest that you Google “Kristopher Kime” and learn a little about what he did and what happened to him. (The Liberals have done a nice job of editing the fact that it was BLACKS that stomped his innocent head into the ground, but you may get lucky and find a few articles out there that aren’t so PC.)
On a personal note, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried reaching out in kindness and respect towards black folks, only to get unvarnished hatred in return! And I submit to you that it’s because waaay too many of these SOBs in the media – on the right and left – are the ones brainwashing ALL of us with their lies and unbalanced views!
And as far as I’m concerned, Ted Koppel is the Joseph Goebbels of our time. If I was black and had listened to THAT guy (and others) tell me for 30-years that “Whites are holding you down!”, I’d be pissed too and feel like I might as well not even bother trying to make something out of myself. After all, all those smooth-tongued millionaires, black and white, wouldn’t be dishonest, now would they?
Well, friend, I said all of that I now I suppose I’ve left myself open to being called something I’m not. But that’s how it is in this strange, screwed up world … and there’s not much I can do except state the truth the best I can and hope that others will judge me within the truth and fair spirit that I laid it out in, or tried to. But more importantly than how others may insist that I am this or that, it remains true that end the end only God’s judgement of me is the one that matters. And to that end I feel pretty good about things (at least with respect to where my heart is regarding matters of race).
One last thing: I have indeed had MANY good experiences with black folks too (but sadly, the Media brainwashing that’s been going on has certainly had an impact).
GuyNblueJeans, nice rant, but this is not the Pit and you are supposed to be able to support your vitriol. I would be interested in to see whether you could actually provide a citation for the following claim:
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GuyNblueJeans, nice rant, but this is not the Pit and you are supposed to be able to support your vitriol. I would be interested in to see whether you could actually provide a citation for the following claim:
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I wouldn’t characterize my view(s) as vitriol; but would say that it’s rightious indigination that’s backed up by many, many Nightline episodes in which Ted Koppel ripped Caucasians apart for decades with impunity. In fact, just before his retirement from said show, I watched where the guy was actually grilling 3 or 4 Caucasians from his perch, actuallly trying to make them think that they should feel ashamed and guilty over the fact that a higher power placed their souls in Caucasian bodies!!
Specifically, he was trying to make some arguement that “you know that you guys would never want to be black even if you had millions of dollars”!!
This is AMAZING that a man of his place in life, having come here from England and getting an education and going on to be selected to have his Nightline job – with all its fame, money and power – would find it in himself to rake over the coals on national TV, no less, good folks whose only crime (in his eyes) were that they were white!
This world has serious problems, not the least of which involve matters of race. And yet here’s Ted Koppel doing his usual thing of searing into the American psyche his mantra that “whites are bad, people of color are good!” Has he or any of the other Media Liberals ever made a mention of the fact that MILLIONS of blacks and other non-Caucasians are alive and healthy today due to Caucasians sharing life-saving drugs and vaccines with them, and of which they invented?
No, he hasn’t ever said so much as one “good” thing about Caucasians during those times on his show when racial matters were being “explored”; rather he always, ALWAYS made sure that the spin made whites look evil.
I could go on and on with such questions and comments, but I suspect you’d just be angry if I did. So I won’t. But I just want to let you know where I’m coming from because you did ask me how I could compare the guy to the Nazi propagandist, Goebbles. Now you know.
Well, according to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Imus doesn’t need to do anything anymore, as he’s been dropped from MSNBC. A member of CBS’s board of directors also called for his dismissal yesterday, so it appears he’ll soon be riding off into the sunset.
This might be a good time to examine all the Folks In High Places who have so closely aligned themselves with Imus for all these years. You gotta wonder how they could not notice the pattern.
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I could go on and on with such questions and comments, but I suspect you’d just be angry if I did. So I won’t. But I just want to let you know where I’m coming from because you did ask me how I could compare the guy to the Nazi propagandist, Goebbles. Now you know.
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So, basically, you’ve got nothing.
I’m sure you can go on and on, but what you have provided, here, is an emotional feeling about a particular newsman that you cannot back up with any actual evidence, but it makes you feel good to throw out anecdotes that do little to nothing to support your claim.
The fact that you have subjectively interpreted some exchanges (for which you cannot even provide an explicit recounting) that your personal views translate into white bashing or telling blacks that all their problems are due to the actions of whites does nothing to establish the factual nature of your beliefs.
Was Koppel fascinated by the interaction of race in America? Absolutely.
Did he use his power as producer to pursue many stories on the toipc. Again: definitely.
Did he use his show to demean whites or make claims that blacks were never responsible for anything that happened to them? Never in any episode I witnessed.
Evidence would include direct quotes (in context) of Koppel making such statements or, even better, a link to a transcript of a show where he drew such conclusions. Your subjective reaction to Koppel does nothing to persuade me–against my subjective reaction–that Koppel or anyone else has done what you claim. They simply sound like the complaints of a person who reacted negatively to information he did not want to hear.
I thought that my citing one of his last Nightline shows showing him (trying to) denigrate some persons on his show due to their crime of being Caucasian would be enough to satisfy your (valid) need for proof or evidence. But obviously I was wrong.
My meager wherewithal, unfortunately, isn’t enough for me to waste my time trying to get ABC to send you all of the Nightline shows that he did over the years that pertain to matters of race so that you can cull through them … (though judging from your comments, your mind likely wouldn’t change anyway). Therefore, I’m only left with the option to ask that you use your greater wherewithal to send Mr. Koppel the comments I’ve made about him here, in a public forum, as that way he can take me into a court of law for the whole world to see who’s right and who’s wrong.
It’ll be a slam dunk (after me and my attorneys bring out reams upon reams of Nightline tape showing him doing his Joseph Goebbels number on a segment of American society that never did so much as one unkind thing to him, or anyone else, for that matter).
By the way, when he first came on the scene way back in the mid to early '80s, he had no bigger fan than me, as I loved his wonderful professionalism and air of intelligence. But that changed when I saw the pattern of him couching his agenda in … which never failed to present an unfair view of one particular race, and seemingly for the sole purpose of making himself come off as “enlightened” and “sophisticated” in matters of race and social justice.
If you do take me up on my idea of sending him (and his attorneys) my remarks, then I pray that he’ll “make an example” out of me … because it sure as heck is going to be a joy to connect a few dots – in front of the world! – to show that he’s at least partially to blame for what happened to Kristopher Kime.
Lastly, please do this: Google “white inventors” and see what comes up.
After you’ve done that, ask yourself if there’s anything wrong with what you see. (Hint: It’s indicative of where Koppel and many, many other Liberal media-snakes have taken this country to with regards to honesty and a healthy national discourse pertaining to matters of race.)
Yikes! :eek:
Who was the white guy that Koppel was giving a hard time to? He didn’t just interview men on the street. What did the show pertain to? Are you sure it was Ted Koppel?
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Yikes! :eek:
Who was the white guy that Koppel was giving a hard time to? He didn’t just interview men on the street. What did the show pertain to? Are you sure it was Ted Koppel?
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Yes, it WAS Koppel. LOL.
It was, I dunno, 5 or 6 months ago; not long before he went into retirement.
I didn’t keep it turned on long enough to watch too much of it, as my blood pressure tends to be on the high side… :eek: .
You might consider writing ABC. Just mention that you’d like a transcript or video of the program with Koppel trying to lay a load of guilt and shame on some guys for having been born as dreadful “Caucasians.” It shouldn’t be too hard for them to locate it (if they don’t mind people taking a second look at it, that is).
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Yes, it WAS Koppel. LOL.
It was, I dunno, 5 or 6 months ago; not long before he went into retirement.
I didn’t keep it turned on long enough to watch too much of it, as my blood pressure tends to be on the high side… :eek: .
You might consider writing ABC. Just mention that you’d like a transcript or video of the program with Koppel trying to lay a load of guilt and shame on some guys for having been born as dreadful “Caucasians.” It shouldn’t be too hard for them to locate it (if they don’t mind people taking a second look at it, that is).
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Since it’s your cite, why don’t you write ABC and ask for a transcript, using just that description. I’d love to hear how they respond.
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It was, I dunno, 5 or 6 months ago; not long before he went into retirement.
I didn’t keep it turned on long enough to watch too much of it, as my blood pressure tends to be on the high side… :eek: .
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I don’t understand how you can “cite” a show you have no transcript for, and now it comes out, you didn’t even watch.
I agree with Czarcasm here; the burden of proof is on you amigo.
Ted Koppel did a show with Charlie Rose about racial inequality on PBS but that was a few years ago. I’m not sure that’s what GuyNblueJeans is talking about.
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Since it’s your cite, why don’t you write ABC and ask for a transcript, using just that description. I’d love to hear how they respond.
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I stated in the previous post to it where I stood about doing that, should you care to read it.