What do you mean “cater”? You have yet to define what you are talking about. If white kids are just as free to go to historically black universities as blacks kids, then where’s the discrimination here?
Someone was catering to the white kids who went to my school. Not Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles, to be sure, but perhaps the Cracker Barrel? They didn’t look like they’d skipped any meals.
What do you mean “what do you mean”?. If you don’t understand the word “cater” look it up. There’s nothing I can add to what I’ve posted to explain it any better.
In other words, you don’t care to explain how discrimination is taking place. You just want to insist that it is. Gotcha.
I’m not sure what you don’t understand. A tax funded school that caters to students of a particular race is discriminatory. If the situation were reversed and a historically white college was established it would be challenged immediately as a diversion of state funds away from black students. The school I referenced makes a point of recruiting black students. That is their mission. I don’t know where you think the debate is here. Basically, you’re saying it’s ok to seek out and build a student body based on race.
Did you read my post upthread? That is precisely how American schools were funded before desegregation. Which wasn’t that long ago at all. Things didn’t get equal, like a switch was flipped in 1964.
Is the school you’re referencing under court order to desegregate? Title IV of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 requires schools to desegregate and gives the Attorney General the ability to file suits to enforce the act.
What are the school’s current demographics? What strategy is being pursued to attract Black students? How is the program tailored? Does the school have any programs that attracts or recruits students of other groups - like legacies, if it’s a college? Because if it does, and it is a traditionally/predominantly White college, you can be reasonably assured that that strategy benefits White students primarily. Just as an example.
And yet I still ask what you mean by cater.
A historically black school tends to stay largely black because A) black people want to go it and B) white people do not. The ratios we see are the product of free choice, NOT discrimination.
You throw “cater” around as if we’re all supposed to know what you’re talking about. Does it mean having a curriculum that includes subjects on African-American history and culture, in addition to math, science, and mainstream humanities? Does it mean having a student body that is predominately black? Is it wrong for a school to even identify itself as “historically black”, even though that’s exactly what it is? Where is the discrimination that you’re talking about?
This makes no sense, because HBCUs were established when educational choices for blacks was limited. What does the word “historically” mean to you? I’d definitely expect an uproar if a “historically” white college was established. Such a thing would represent a return to segregation. HBCUs represent a legacy of such.
What school are you talking about and can you post its mission statement? I read the link you posted to Central University and saw nothing about building a student body based on race.
Yes, I read your post. And you were correct that military people went to the school but this happened in the 60’s & 70’s. Currently it’s coming out of a probationary period because of recruitment practices in the 80’s & 90’s. They were so aggressive in recruitment that their freshman dropout rate skyrocketed. The amount of state funds wasted was the driving force behind the probation, not the object of recruitment.
If you’re asking my opinion why the school is not challenged it’s because nobody is trying to get into the school. Nobody see’s the diversion of money as an issue. Basically it’s looked at like an entitlement.
The private school I listed is literally across the street from the state school. Since it is privately funded its not even a blip on anyone’s radar.
It’s Central State Univerity for the record. You’ve built a strawman challenge. They’re not going to post what you’ve stated on the website. How retarded would that sound.
But you could actually fish around the site for examples of their mission.
**CSU is Ohio’s only predominately African American public institution of higher education. But it is “open to all persons of good moral character,” **
Bolding is mine, the quotations are not.
Their stated existence is as a predominately African American school. I can’t imagine a state school posting a statement like that regarding a white student body. “We’re historically white but anyone of good moral character can apply”. The only way that could be any more insulting would be to make the school symbol a lawn jockey.
You could also look at the court cases on the internet. Ohio was challenged for having a segregated school and then chastised for under funding it. The article also goes on to describe the failure rate I mentioned.
I guess you’ll have to come to Ohio and look for yourself. If you don’t want to believe that we have a state funded school that specifically recruits black students then I don’t know what to tell you other than to have a nice day.
Dude. Central State is one of the oldest historically Black colleges in America. That is part of the school’s legacy, just like it is at Tuskegee or Morehouse or Howard. They’re quite proud of that, as they should be. I think you are reading WAY too much into this.
Remember, the school was founded because African-Americans could not attend the other state schools in Ohio because of Jim Crow. So the school started as a teacher’s college, and eventually became a university. The school never discriminated against Whites, so why should it be ashamed of its history?
I mean, there are women’s colleges, founded for many of the same reasons as Central State was. Do you want to close down Bryn Mawr? Or how about predominantly Jewish colleges, like Brandeis?
And anyway, the White people in Ohio seem to be okay with it… picture #10 has two White trustees in it, seemingly quite proud to be affiliated with CSU.
The school is out in the country. It doesn’t serve a demographic area and would not exist other than as a segregated college. And you’re making assumptions about how CSU is viewed in Ohio. It no longer serves a purpose and is a drain on school funds. It is dwarfed by the state colleges around it, which are better located to serve Ohio students. State tax dollars are better spent and serve more people at these schools.
Bryn Mawr and Brandeis are private colleges just like Wilberforce (black college located across the street from Central State University). They do not involve state funds.
I think you’re still having some trouble with the meaning of the word “predominantly” (which a lot of sources, including some of the webpages linked in this thread, misspell as “predominately”, which doesn’t help the confusion issue).
To say that a college is “predominantly black” doesn’t automatically imply that it’s deliberately majority-black, or that it gives preference to black applicants, or even necessarily that it’s historically black. It just means that in its current state of enrollment, the school has a majority or plurality of black students as compared to students of other races.
Yes, many if not most historically-black colleges are still predominantly black today; as HH and ywtf noted, that’s because they tend to have much stronger appeal for black students than for white ones, what with the “alumni-brat” phenomenon being overwhelmingly concentrated on black alumni, and so forth. But that doesn’t mean that it’s any part of the school’s official mission to stay predominantly black, or to discriminate against white applicants in order to preserve a black student majority.
The mission seems to only say that it’s predominately black student body makes it different. And it does, compared to other schools in Ohio.
It says nothing about the school serving the interests of only black students, which is what you would have us believe. It only says they have a predominately black enrollment. Some might think they should keep this information secret, but they would obviously beg to differ. Is that so bad?
As far as the “But anyone of good moral character can apply” line goes, I don’t see why you have a problem with this. There’s a misconception–as illustrated by your posts–that a HBCU favors black students in admissions over white students. This sentence sounds like an attempt to address that belief so as to encourage all people to apply. Although, admittedly, it would make more sense to say “Anyone of good moral character can gain admission”.
I don’t know how you can say Central State is a waste of taxpayers dollars. If there are enough students to support it and everyone’s getting a quality education and no one is being discriminated again, how can it be said to be a “waste”?
Right. And I’m sure that there are quite a few students–black ones too, but especially white students–who think HBCUs are inferior institutions and they wouldn’t deign to apply to them even if they were offered full four-year scholarships.
I’ve shocked a few people by telling them that there are professional programs at some HBCUs that are predominantly (thanks for the correction, Kimstu) white.
How the Hell did my slapdown of GNbJ’s inane claim of White obsequiousness with some simple readily available facts about inequities still present in America society including primary education funding (no matter what their causes) trigger off this particular hijack?
But along the lines of this hijack … I get my haircut in a historically and predominately Black barbershop. Yup, the pictures of cuts on the wall are all of Blacks and Malcolm X is on the wall. Along with kids artwork honoring MLK. They cater to a predominately Black population. But I can and do go in and am greeted kindly and given a haircut that does my spotty balding frizz just fine. The fact that they cater to a Black population does not equal discrimination against me or Whites even though I am the only White customer I’ve ever seen in there or even if no other White has ever got his hair cut there.
And just so with HBCUs.
Ridiculous.
If you think any of these schools would turn away qualified white applicants in favor of black ones you’re out of your mind. Most of these schools, perhaps with the sole exception of Hampton University, are quite small and hungry for any students they can get. And, let’s be real here, if this was really going on, some white student would have filed a lawsuit (and won) by now.
- Honesty
Interesting essay by Barbara Ehrenreich.