What tactics will the Democrats use against the Republicans to win it this year?

Great Debates
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The Clinton/Gore 1996 campaign used an effective technique to show their candidates’ youth compared with Bob Dole. Simply schedule the candidate doing something physical on the same day when the opponent is doing something that makes him look ‘old.’ Clinton and Gore were shown carrying large spools of wire to help connect a school to the internet while Dole was addressing a veterans convention, for example.

Clinton/Gore shown doing labor in front of kids, while Dole looked like an old man hanging out at a retirement home.

42

Please, Mr. Shodan, sir, can you point me to this monolithic media you keep on talking about? Is it in a hidden factory somewhere? Under the ground? Does it pump out one set of stories which get slightly modified by some program somewhere? Did a small band of rebels form Fox News. and do they not count as members of the media?

This “liberal media” crap is so 20th century.

43

Voyager, more often than not, I find that when posters need to manufacture positions and attempt to attribute them to me, it means they find my real position unassailable.

If you disagree, feel free to come up with something a little less ridiculous than what you have.

Regards,
Shodan

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You made those assertions, yes. You did not “point them out” - they unfortunately would have had to be facts for that to be the case.

45

Shodan with kindest regards I would really appreciate your answering my questions to you. Post #40. Thank you.

46

Or incomprehensible.

47

The “culture of corruption” meme has still got some miles on it:
GOP Congressman and Key McCain Ally Indicted

48

Where is the moral ground then? If it was morally right to “swift-boat” Kerry in 2004 then isn’t it equally moral to swift-boat McCain in 2008? And if it’s immoral to swift-boat McCain wans’t it immoral to swiftboat Kerry? Is swift-boating a candidate moral or immoral? Or is the morality just a matter of which side is doing it?

As for the “facts” it was all a matter of testimony. Some people said one thing and other people denied it. And most of what was being said was based on things people had heard from other people and not witnessed themselves. So it all came down, as these things usually do, to people being free to choose to believe whoever they wanted to believe.

49

Debate, debate, debate…and then debate some more. Even if it means going on Faux. Keep them next to each other, stay on point about ‘past vs future’, the contrast only benefits Obama. He’s got to be careful and do it very gently though so as not to alienate the always show up to vote, older generation voters.

Obama showed, quite pointedly, last night that his learning curve is small and what was once a weak spot, debates, is now quite a strong place for him to be. Hillary was the one with rhetoric and platitudes last night, Obama was all x’s and o’s…with just the right dash of hope. Ratings have shown that voters/viewers do care too and are tuning in.

If you watched the Republican debates MitCain was just as empty of substance as that they claim Obama to be. The two of them looked silly on those stages. I have said this whole time that Paul(with logic, numbers, quotes(from the CIA, NIE), and facts) and Huckabee(good humor and wit) were the GOPs best chances of saving face in a debate forum I am just happy they were too greedy, short sighted, and dumb to realize this.
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Lugar-Obama nonproliferation initiative Bipartisan work to rid a dangerous and reemerging Russia of WMDs and conventional weapons.

I was happy to hear Obama’s chief advisor(or strategist or something) bring this up(and other legislation) with KO last night, as well as pointing out that while Obama was crossing the aisle and helping leading the way on this, Clinton and Mccain were in the same congress taking a back seat.

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Obama voted against giving immunity to telecoms. Mccain to grant it to them.

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Torture- while true Obama didn’t vote. Mccain voted against making it illegal. His one argument, interrogation limited to the Army field manual, is nice in theory if only he wasn’t on video record as saying that ‘torture is wrong and interrogation via the field manual works more than well enough’

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Post-Katrina gulf coast. When Obama, as he should, talks about rebuilding bridges, roads, schools, he also needs to mention whole cities as well.

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The environment is not the partisan issue with voters it once was. Granted Mccain has a better record than most other Republicans, however, it is not strong enough in a ‘post-ICT’ world. Drilling in ANWR is an easy trump card for Obama to play here.

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Also, though I could be wrong, but I think Obama might have just made huge in roads in Florida last night but saying he will open up travel for family members to and from Cuba. He is taking the lead in spreading Democracy the way it should be done, through peaceful, smart, and sane actions. As both candidates pointed out completely ignoring Cuba at all cost has done more harm than good. The crowd in Texas loved it and I think most of the rest of America knows its the right thing to do. IIRC the Latino vote has typically gone to the Republicans, especially in swing state Florida; a huge bloc for Obama to gain. Despite this, and to their detriment, the rightwing talking heads, and folks who would never vote D anyway, would have a fit if Mccain tried to even remotely agree.

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Finally, perhaps just bluntly ask Mccain: “What sir, will you in fact change at all?” People can be pessimistic about how much change Obama can get done(personally I believe plenty as he will have working majority and the bully pulpit to work with), but in this debate it is almost enough that he is even just talking about it as the only change Mccain has been about was flipping his principals for the sake of power brought about by old corrupt policies and old corrupt insiders.

50

Unless things have changed, McCain was the only (major) Republican candidate against drilling in ANWR.

51

Apparently IDNRC. I remember it coming up a lot in the Republican debates and with no objections. My bad; consider the SD one more step forward in its march against ignorance. Thank you Jophiel .

52

While waiting for Shodan to help me understand what is liberal and what is conservative in today’s world, I’ll take a moment to look back in time in a very self-serving self-congratulatory way. The label “liberal” has been an invective too long. The tide is turning. Back in November '04 someone :slight_smile: predicted that while Obama was certainly liberal it could be “a plus if he has the ability to get the Middle (that has swung hard to the Right in recent years) to see that this is where they really want to go. The pendulum has to swing back some eventually. A man who has a vision to articulate and does so well can take advantage of that moment of turning inertia.”

My assessment in October '06 also still stands, both the prediction that he’d beat HRC and that he’d take a general by emphasizing “his optimism and his religious values. His humble roots and his belief in hard work and opportunity. The ads and speeches will write themselves. His ‘funny name’ will be turned into a symbol of what makes America great.”

Hey I’m not right so often that I don’t want to relish it a little!

53

They are facts. You deny it, but that doesn’t matter.

No, they have nothing to do with the topic. I realize you would like to distract, but…

Regards,
Shodan

54

Hmmm. Defining the terms that one uses in a debate has nothing to do with the debate. An interesting claim. Silly but interesting.

55

There’s nothing more distracting than a random “But nobody will call it Swift Boating” sissy foul call, especially after the examples you gave aren’t even remotely damaging to McCain’s campaign. The silly “refusing to say the pledge” Obama barely-even-noteworthy-scandal made a bigger splash than that.

By the way, have you considered that the liberal bias you’re seeing in the media is actually just your own disguised confirmation bias? When just about everyone from every side complains about the political media bias against them, you’ve got to start wondering if maybe it isn’t all just a bunch of baloney.

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On the contrary, it should make you wonder what the mainstream media are doing to cause so many people to mistrust them.