What the fuck is wrong with Mexico?

Not just down “somewhat”, but down massively. Los Angeles has the lowest crime rates since the 1950s!

From The World Almanac and Book of Facts 2006, “Drug Use: America’s High School Seniors 1980-2004”:

Marijuana/hashish- 1980: 60.3% 2004: 45.7%
Inhalants-1980:17.3% 2004: 11.4%
Amyl & butyl nitrates-1980: 11.1% 2004: 1.3%
Hallucinogens-1980:15.6% 2004: 9.9%
Cocaine-1980:15.7% 2004:8.1%
Amphetamines-1980:26.4% 2004: 15.0%

Not enough jail cells, problem one with the** Ex-Tank **Program. If we put all of the unemployed to work building more jail cells, we might catch up in three-four years. Maybe. Infrastructure wise, not a great investment.

Problemo numero two-o: you are accepting the single most destructive drug in our society, alcohol. Either do it, or don’t do it. If you want to institute some form of chemical Calvinism, where messing with your brain is sinful and illegal, doesn’t make much sense to prosecute the relatively harmless while drunks wrap their cars around trees. By the thousands.

However, to end on a bright note, about the War of Drugs. Marijuana overdose admissions to emergency rooms are way, way down.

…and that is EXACTLY why they will pick on people like you, and on the Mexicans.

(Sorry about the finger wagging, but the truth hurts)

They won’t pick on you. They’ll kill you. Probably in front of your family after they have done unimaginable things to all. You can have the arsenal of your choice and they will laugh at you. They attack heavily armed police and soldiers. Do you really think your boundless courage will keep them at bay?

Originally Posted by Susanann
YOu dont understand Americans. We don’t cower, and we do have a monopoly on backing-up our courage.

Obviously, of course, not ““all”” Americans have courage, not all Americans are willing to defend themselves, some Americans are weenies and are willing victims.

I spoke in a generality. The fact is, that there are enough Americans like me who have zero tolerance for violence and who will refuse to let any criminal harm our families.

Originally Posted by Susanann
…and that is EXACTLY why they will pick on people like you, and on the Mexicans.
(Sorry about the finger wagging, but the truth hurts)

You really do not understand how cowardly, defenseless, defeated, helpless, and pitiful you sound… do you?
Get together a 1000 people like you, or a million people who think as you do, and no wonder you guys are slaves to the criminals and corruption, no wonder you guys become victims. You already gave up.

Amen. And also, for the first two decades of the “war on drugs” the (US) use went up, nor do we don’t have much recent data on opioids. (There’s a a lot of cross use/addiction between pills and brown-tar heroin.) The point is that the violence in Mexico has more to do with shifts in the power structures of the Mexican cartels, than enforcement or use in the US. The problem is that they’d already firmly established their various “domains,” long before this present crisis point. They can’t just be scared off by a posse of valorous citizens, or jingoism and bromides.

We have had the answer to the problem all along without recognizing it. Who need the Magnificent Seven when we have the Magnificent Susanann?

I’m sure the minute you clear immigration at the border the cartels will know their demise is imminent and throw down their arms.

(Haven’t read the whole thread yet, but I wanted to post while my thoughts were fresh)

What’s wrong with Mexico? Porfirio Diaz, the dictator of Mexico at the time of the 1910 revolution, once said, ‘Poor Mexico – so far from God and so near the United States." Thanks to drug trafficing creating an outside source of wealth and power and enabling criminal empires, Mexico is on the verge of becoming a narcorepublic like Columbia. And it isn’t a phenomenon unique to the third world; in the 1980s the government of Italy fought something close to a civil war against organized crime cartels. Judges literally wore masks while trying the accused. A tipping point is reached once even good people feel that corruption is so endemic that trying to be a hero is at best futile and at worst suicidal. When you literally don’t know who to trust, you go with the flow.

I once heard that unlike the United States, in Mexico escaping from prison is not in and of itself a crime, on the theory that “Well DUH, of course prisoners will escape if they get the chance!”. Is this “factoid” true?

Who in turn would need very, very trustworthy bodyguards.

I can drive into certain neighborhoods in St. Petersburg and in Tampa and in Fort Myers and take my pick of drug dealers. I can buy, if I have the money and don’t get killed, any damn drug I want at pretty near any time of day or night. Those are just three areas that I am familiar with. I do not believe illegal drugs use is on any kind of decline, based on my own observation. But everyone knows I am an old, grouchy, stubborn SOB and that’s just the way it is.

:dubious: Someone like Iturbide? Santa Anna? Maximilian? Porfirio Diaz?

Well, it’s definitely not getting any better anytime soon.

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A worse generality. To have zero tolerance for violence is not to tolerate its use for any purpose – not even self-defense, home defense or law enforcement.

Somehow it always is the victim’s fault.

Funny how that works.

Looks like a good sized portion of San Martin Texmelucan went up in flames today, after an oil pipeline was broken into.

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Apparently thieves ruptured the pipeline to try and steal the oil, but the pressure was too much for them, so they just took off, leaving the pipeline spewing oil.

Oh, and it went into the river, too.

Well, you know the answer to that now, dontcha? Shoot the victim’s mother in the head and burn down her family’s business. That’s the Mexican way.

I really really like Susanann, her parody of a “these colors don’t run” moron with no clue how things actually happen in the real world is spot on.

“Hey, Ramon, I know we have the arms and ability to attack and win against a fortified policia station, or to attack a literal army base. Right?”

“Si! We have arms and soldado’s to spare!”

“I really wanted to make an example of the new Americano woman and her daughers, but I understand she has a handgun, and refuses to allow us to intimidate her.”

“Oh really? Well dang. I certainly can’t stand up to that kind of will. I’ll certainly leave her be then.”

“HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH…”

Cut to funeral scene, with 2 caskets being lowered into the ground and Susanann’s husband in a wheelchair, paralyzed for life.

Ew, Tristan. I mean, Susanann is irritating me as much as everyone else in this thread, but seriously, fantasizing about her children dying and husband being crippled for life seems a bit over the top.