What the hell has happened to some of my friends?

She is 6.

Exactly! Thanks.

I am tired of all this talk of their wish to conform their world to their fears. I am a mother too, I too am fearful, the difference is that I believe the best approach is to equip my child with knowledge and a good thinking head over her shoulders, not to bubblewrap the world around me. That is insane. And the things that they find so inmoral and dangerous are the same normal things that they did two decades ago.

We have a saying for this. “La vaca siempre se olvida que fue ternera” - “The cow always forgets she was once a calf”.

I’ve had the same problem on Facebook: an ad for 40+ dating right next to a “like bad girls?” ad featuring a tattooed scenester who couldn’t be more than 20.

How is that a problem?

Well, I’m not above dating either of them, although I’d prefer early 20s-early 30s.

That’s, uh, not very flattering towards women.

Don’t have a cow, man.* :wink:

  • Animal imagry may have different connotations in different languages and cultures - dunno if that’s the case in Spanish for “cow”, but you should never, for example, call a Chinese woman a “fox” … it isn’t a complement

It is not offensive in the sense you are taking it.

Well okay, but we get to call you “Loretta”.

Does that mean the US Government gets to add “Loretta” to my list of aliases? They already have a list of 21 (if it’s not higher by now).

Yeah, in my experience women never forget anything, ever.

it’s used for both men and women, I don’t see the problem

That is precisely the problem. While you were a self described “Miss Goodie Two Shoes” they lose sleep thinking their kids will be just like them. I doubt they rationalize it, but unconsciously it makes them feel better if they perceive the opportunity to act in such a reckless manner has been removed. You and I know it doesn’t change a damn thing, and probably makes things worse, but sadly they rest easy thinking they have somehow protected their children.

If only most parents were as rational as you and Mighty_Girl.

Heh. The first time I lived in sin, my then-girlfriend’s dad said to her, “Well, why should he buy the cow when he can get the milk for free?” I said, “Did your dad just call you a cow?”

That’s one thing I *like *about Facebook. You get to see that one girl that was the cool cheerleader dropped out of college after geeting knocked up and married the guy she thinks is the dad who works at Walmart.

I hear ya OP. While I wasn’t a ‘prude’ per se I was definitely on the prudish side of my group of friends.

Life hasn’t been good to my group of friends from HS but the ones that made it to family/children make me scratch my head.

  • the guy who won’t let his kid play video games or even own a computer. Excuse me, dude, you were a MAJOR COMPUTER GEEK as a kid. Are you saying you were wrong back then? Are you saying the others that looked down on you and felt superior to you were RIGHT? Man, I wish you could go back and talk with yourself.

  • A woman friend who is obsessed with her daughter having sex. Excuse me?! I remember you at that age…and I remember you have a certain…passion and committment to having sex. While I understand your concern…I know your daughter. She has a good head on her shoulders. Trust her. I also have a daughter close to her age. You know what? I trust her. If I found out she was having sex*? Big deal! No, seriously…it’s not a big deal.

  • The guy who was downright militant about how the young were treated back then. He now supports rainsing the voting age, drinking age etc etc etc etc…WTH man?! Listen to yourself! I wish you to could go back and talk to yourself. Your teen self would punch you in the nose.

So, I went from being on the prudish side to being ‘very permissive/naive’. No, I just have kept my perspective while growing older :wink:

*Weirdly enough (or maybe not so weird), my daughter was raised very ‘liberally’ with much trust…and she has turned into a huge prude. She says and I actually believe her that she is a virgin and she is near 20 now and been with the same guy for years. She has the looks and body to wear real provacative and stunning clothes and I would let her…but she doesn’t. Kids need to rebel and if you are a dope using hippy living on a clothes optional commune your kid will probably join the CIA. :slight_smile: Also reminds me of a daughter of a friend of my wife’s…who had the reputation of being extremely rebellious and not a good thinker about her life. However, she spent a week with us when parents on vacation and she seemed a very normal, good-headed girl (weird hair and clothes…but otherwise normal :slight_smile: ). When I said that to her mom, she thought I was stupid naive…but her daughter grew up and is doing just fine in life.

Latin culture being insensitive to women? Dios mio!

I noticed this often in my 20s. I don’t think children have to enter the picture to cause this effect. After the Vietnam was ended, hordes of communists and anarchists put on suits and became accountants and lawyers. Any number of people living a bohemian lifestyle suddenly became uptight 50s style conformists. I do know plenty of people who found happy middle ground, and some who seemed to have never matured at all, or even regressed over time. But it’s the 180 degree skewing of lifestyle choices that confuses me. Perhaps they had that undeveloped medulla oblongata or whatever causes thoughtless impulsive behavior, and upon development of a complete brain considered everything that went before in the category of youthful indiscretion, which they now cannot recall. Or perhaps that part of the brain does not function when clouded by a constant flood of alchohol, THC, and cocaine, and upon finding something more important than working for the weekend they revert to their natural state. But in the end, it is only the gross hypocrisy that bothers me. They shouldn’t rant about the next generation doing what they’ve done themselves. Especially because once again we have a generation of youth whose lives will be seriously impacted because of the way the world was fucked up by their parents. In fact, we had it easy, they have the burden of taking out our trash.

This, exactly, that is just what is happening here.

I wasn’t a prude, I just didn’t like booze very much and had a steady boyfriend. I was completely fine with what they were doing.

Strangely, my daughter seems to be heading the same way as your daughter. OK, she is only nearly 7, but she has a hard time exercising the freedoms we grant her. Her teachers only complaint is that she is too much of a perfectionist.
And Tripolar, I think the world is vastly safer and better now than it was 20 years ago. I wish I were young now, although I am fine with my age. It is a wondrous time to be young. I just don’t see these dangers they see everywhere.

Poeple are hypocrites. They want to feel they are better than other people who do the same things they do (or did).

Hypocrites. That is all.