What the hell is Hawaii like?!

Pardon my confusion, but I have as much knowledge of Hawaii as I do most foreign countries that I’ve never been to. I’ve traveled the states, and met people from darn near every geographic region. I know mid-western folks, been there. I’ve been in the plains states, California, New Mexico, plus the Northwest etc. We have our quirks, sure, but we aren’t totally different.

But something makes me think that Hawaii must be really weird. Not in a bad way, but basically in a way that you feel when you go to a foreign country. Basically you think, “Oh that’s strange” about little things. I realize there is a bit tourist industry, sure, but it is one of the youngest states in the country, first of all.

I guess my question is, can you give me any info on what it would be like to live there? Plus, what would surprise me about the place. For me it seems like the closest thing to living in a foreign country inside of America. Or is it not that different than say, California?

Heaven.

Umm, let’s see. The weather is amazingly nice, if not a little hot for some people. It’s a beatiful state with a wide variety of flora and fauna. If you like beaches, this state is for you. If you like beaches filled with beautiful young people, this state is definitely for you. I think the state is comprised of half American and half Japanese people, with originally ethnic Hawaiins being maybe 10% I’d have to check Wikipedia, but I’ll leave that up to you :wink:

Well, let’s see. Most products are fairly expensive, except for local things that are expensive on the mainland. Obviously, there’s a very high Asian population.

I don’t consider it as foreign-feeling as Mexico, but moreso than, say, Canada. The people in the direct tourist industry are exceptionally friendly, but once you leave that zone, you may feel less welcome. Haoles can get anywhere from lukewarm to downright hostile reception.

I haven’t been to Hawaii since I was young. It looks a lot like it does in pictures and the landscape is incredible. It is heavilly Asian and there are real Native Hawaiins there but people say that in Texas as well. The state is island based and you need to fly a lot to get places but that happens in Alaska as well.

I just question your assumption that Hawaii is the “foreign country” within America. There are many others:

  1. NYC
  2. New Orleans
  3. SolCal
  4. NoCal
    5 Northern Maine
  5. Miami
  6. Indian Reservations
  7. Much of Texas
  8. Alaska

If you expand the list to include territories, you have Puerto Rico, the USVI, and Guam that are also like foreign countries in some ways.

My point is that a state is a state and you can find plenty of oddities even in the lower-48. The U.S. Constitution and form of government plus statehood make it as real as any other. Sometimes I sit around and think people in Minnesota must be weird for example because I have never been there and they sound funny on TV.

I know a former Marine who was stationed in Hawaii long ago. He said that despite the image of it being a paradise, there is an underside to it that few people on the mainland US know about: there is widespread poverty, whites are disliked and distrusted by many, and there is a big problem with drugs including crystal meth. Of course, there are problems like that in every state. But I think his main point was that most Americans get a picture of Hawaii as some kind of tourist utopia, and it isn’t like that.

What, nobody watches Dog the Bounty Hunter? I’m not saying it’s a 100% accurate picture of Hawaii, but it certainly shows a different side than the typical tourist video. You see the criminal underbelly, drug problems, etc., but also more of the everyday life of people in Hawaii. It looks pretty similar to the rest of the U.S. to me.

The islands are definitely more exotic than any of the contiguous states I’ve been to. They are volcanic islands and all around you is evidence of the clash between land, air and sea. The island are breathtaking, but it isn’t a pristine, placid beauty but a rugged, fierce beauty. The wind can be fierce and the ocean can be unforgiving. You cannot escape the feeling that long after humans have vanished off the planet, those islands will still be there.

There are sandy beaches but it’s not at all like Florida where you can walk on the beach for miles and miles. Long stretches of oceanfront have nothing but lava rocks and boulders, which are also strangely beautiful but unapproachable. Unlike the Carolinas or Florida, a lot of time is spent around the pool, because most of the geography isn’t conducive to swimming. Surf shoes are a must. But because of the sudden change in elevation and all the rocks, it’s more suited for snorkeling than the states.

You’d think a chain of islands would have tons of privately owned boats, but that’s not the case at all. You’ll see sailboats near Waikiki and a few commercial catamarans other places but I’ve never seen a family go off for a pleasure cruise or a day of fishing. On Maui, IIRC there are only 3 or 4 harbors on the entire island.

Maui (which is where I spend most of my time) has something like 7 distinct micro-climates (e.g. rain forest, deciduous forest, desert, etc). And dominant on the landscape is the dormant volcano, Haleakala, that formed the island. You can traverse the entire island in a day it’s so small, yet depending on what day trip you take you’ll feel like you’ve visited a different state each day.

And, of course, there’s the temperature. At sea level, it’s the perfect temperature (between 70 and 80) year round. Occasionally you’ll get hot, but the winds will cool you down. And then there’s the fact that you are a 5 hour plane ride from the States. You feel like you’re in another country because you are so far removed from the mainland. It’s very odd watching football at 9am.

I love Hawaii. In fact, we just bought a time share at the Westin Kaanapali Ocean Resorts even though everyone knows that timeshares are a stupid way to spend your money. What can I say? I love Hawaii.

Born and raised in Honolulu, left 5 years ago at age 24.

Physically, Hawaii is an island located over 2000 miles away from the continental US. It has a tropical climate, with varied landscapes. There are active volcanoes on one of the islands. There is little variation between seasons and the temperature usually doesn’t ever vary by more than 40 degrees. There are tall mountains, grassy plains, and of course, great beaches.

I think the reason Hawaii feels like a foreign place is because it is unlike anywhere else in the US, and because it is one of the most isolated places in the world. Hawaii is literally in the middle of the largest ocean on the planet, yet millions of people travel there annually because they perceive it as a fantastic getaway destination. I don’t think any other equally-isolated place receives as much flow as Hawaii does.

Of course, this geographic isolation does lend itself to a psychological isolation. I wouldn’t say that Hawaii folks think of themselves as not being part of the US, but we do think of ourselves differently. We think of local Japanese-Americans as being less Americanized than our mainland-born counterparts. We distinguish between local-born/longtime resident Caucasians and mainland-born/tourist Caucasians. The perceptions aren’t necessarily negative (though they can be), but we do tend to think of the Hawaii versions as more relaxed, and more likely to understand Hawaii things than anyone else. We are very much like a small town in that respect. But as a whole, we do seem nicer than average.

Ethnically speaking, we are roughly 70% some form of Asian (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Vietnamese, Thai, Laotian, etc.), and the rest is everything else (black, white, Indian, Portuguese, Native Hawaiian, etc.). Generally, when it comes to culture, people adopt both the local customs and those of their ethinic background. For instance, for New Year’s in January, I’d have dinner with my Japanese relatives, with all sorts of odd traditional NY’s foods, and then in February, for Chinese New Year, I’d go hang out in Chinatown and eat Chinese food and watch the lion dance performers. Then in May we’d talk about Lei Day (it was yesterday, incidentally). We observe birthdays of deceased Hawaiian royalty as holidays. Culturally-speaking, I’d say all we’re missing is a locally-based professional sports franchise that people actually care about and sustain.

I won’t bore you with history lessons, but Hawaii’s got a fascinating history. It’s made Hawaii one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse places in the world. And while we pride ourselves on that and talk about the “aloha spirit”, we’re like any other large collection of people. It’s a small state, but we have the same problems any other large city does: homelessness, drug abuse, racial conflict. (There was an ugly case recently about a part-Caucasian, part-something else father and son who assaulted a military Caucasian couple over a dent in the pair’s car. It was not cast as a hate crime because the couple was not targeted for their race, but during the incident, the son called the husband a “fucking haole.” [Haole means foreigner and is fairly neutral; any ethnic term sounds bad when preceded by the word “fucking”.]) It made me embarassed to be from Hawaii.

Economically, Hawaii is a tough place to get by. Generally it works out much better for tourists, as they are in vacation mode and probably won’t find it as objectionable to pay $3/gallon for gas… whereas if you’re a resident, it probably pisses you off quite a bit. The housing market is insane; the best I can say about it is it prepared me for the Southern California housing market. $1500-2000 rents for small apartments is about the norm. The median home resale price is $660k. I had planned to retire in Honolulu, preferably in Liliha, but that looks unlikely now.

The state seems to be doing better now. I haven’t read much about the so-called “brain drain”, the term for the good chunk of college graduates who leave home and do not become part of Hawaii’s workforce. There was a time most jobs were hospitality-oriented (working in hotels or for tour companies; speaking Japanese was a very, very strong plus), but that seems to have changed. I’ve heard of some biotech firms doing well there.

I can’t really say what is different about the place. Every place I’ve lived in has its qualities, and you have to just experience them to understand what it’s like. It has good food, crappy food, good people, utter wastes of skin, pretty places, and places that rival used toilets for atmosphere.

Generally, though, it’s a great place. I encourage everyone who expresses even a smidgen of interest to visit. I don’t ever guarantee it’s a life-changing experince or anything, but I do say that it’s nice, and likely a pleasant change from what you’re used to. I try to go back home every year, and I always am happy to be there.

It’s gorgeous. Things are different. If you live in Florida, you might not notice as many differences. If you don’t regularly look at palm trees, then you do feel foreign in a way because even the grass is different.

It’s a feast for the eyes - everything; the scenery, the people. I love Hawaiian music and dance; the culture is enchanting. People are great - all the ones I ever met, anyway.

I don’t know if you asked about the foreign feel because you dislike that kind of thing (though I imagine living in Denmark must be a fair bit different). If you like being in a different place, you’ll love it.

The one thing remarkable about Hawaii is the diversity of climates, for such a small place. It’s got bright sunny beaches (with different colors of sand), rain forests, deserts, mountains (some with snow), canyons, more waterfalls and rainbows than you can count, huge cliffs rising from the ocean, and of course active volcanoes.

And the people. The “aloha spirit” is no exaggeration.

Sometimes very cool, sometimes very lame.
Lame: I was a haole in a public school in an agricultural and economically depressed corner of the outer islands. One good thing-- it didn’t matter that we were a poor family, because they ALL were (you knew who the handful of kids at school were who didn’t qualify for free lunch). Bad economy, kids badly prepared for adulthood anywhere off the island, sketchy school system, sometimes bad racial tension, insular social scene. The outer islands are not much like Honolulu, and more like, say, Appalachia or any other rural, economically depressed region, but stuck on an island and the kids with one strike against them heading elsewhere (the local kids had a hard time getting the English skills to go to good colleges, for example) and not even a chance to hitchhike to somewhere else. You’d have to spend a significant chunk of cash just to get airfare to see a city at all.
Cool: the people could be really swell. Since everyone was in the same boat, once you were sort of local haole-- also understood as poor and trapped-- you could be accepted to some degree as part of the environment. The culture is really rich and different-- such an interesting mix of Polynesian Western and Asian culture, and not much like any of them. There are things I badly miss, and I wish I hadn’t been such an unhappy outsider.
I can’t quite explain it-- where I lived was really truly significantly different from the mainland. Honolulu perhaps not so much, but once you get out it’s different (I have a friend, raised in Vermont-- who now works at UH Manoa and tells me that things must have changed a lot because it’s nothing at all like how I described it. No kidding, hah. Go to Laupahoehoe or Opihikao and tell me that!). When I’d been at college for a couple of years I went back to visit and with my head in mainland culture suddenly my old village looked very strange and second world and foreign. And I kind of miss it at moments.

Very true. I was raised in the same situation out in Puna on the Big Island. So many of the kids I knew ended up on drugs or knocking up their 30 year old girlfriend when they were 15. Thankfully my parents were very deidicated to getting educated and we left when I was 10 so my mom could get her Master’s. Aiea after that was a pretty big culture shock.

There are lots of things I miss so badly though. Going out and gathering a bunch of guava, avacado and other fruits, enjoying the natural saunas and steambaths, more stars in the night sky then I’ve ever seen. But also the lazy quietness of living somewhere without electricity or phone service. When the nearest road is a dirt road with so little traffic you could count the cars that pass there in one day on one hand. And you don’t think you’re missing out on anything because you don’t really know what else is out there. Awesome till you’re a teenager.

And New Mexico. When I lived there, I remember people had a problem convincing others elsewhere in the country that it really was a state, although I suspect that was a little exaggerated.

But the wife and I spent 2 1/2 wonderful years living in Honolulu. It helped that that’s where we met, as students, and so had the whole romantic-courtship thing going. Just like Bogie and Bergman will always have Paris, the wife and I will always have Hawaii. The place was practically designed for romance.

But I can’t add much to what else has been said here. Great weather, and the Trade Winds keep the humidity down, but it’s a damned expensive place.

I do have a question regarding the weather, though. When we lived there, I was told that the temp had never reached 100 degrees Fahrenheit as long as they’d been recording. And I can’t say I remember it ever getting up into the 100s while we were there. Is that true or was my leg being pulled?

Everything everyone says above is true, even the contradictory parts (spirit of aloha vs. dislike of haoles). We “live” on the Big Island (or at least that’s where our home in the US is) and at this point, since we have been expatriates for so long, we feel more comfortable there than we do on the mainland. So I guess it is a bit “foreign.”

My niece asked me a year or to ago – she was about 13 at the time – “do people wear grass skirts every day?” I had to hide a smile when I answered her that no, Hawaiians dress just like everyone else.

I do believe the record high for our state is exactly 100°F. With our humidity you do know want to experience that. On those rare days when it hits 92°F I’m already laying naked on the floor with the fan on me.

You want to talk humidity? I’LL tell you about humidity. :smiley:

I don’t recall it being very humid in Hawaii, they said it was because of the Trade Winds blowing it away, but since my time in Hawaii was between times in Thailand, that may have been why it felt less humid.

Oh the tradewinds can die and it can get awful. Looks like Wahiawa hit a humidity of 90% today. Although I generally see it around 70%.

But thankfully that doesn’t happen often.

We were in the Manoa Valley, but in a building with a nice breeze running through it most of the time. Well positioned.

Well, try anywhere in MS or Louisiana. That can get quite humid as well too. At the moment it is 92 percent!

Thanks for all the info guys, I don’t really plan on going there anytime soon, but I’d like to go for a vacation someday I think.

Does gas really cost $3/gal in Hawaii or was that what it was when you lived there 5 years ago? I ask because it’s been hovering around $3 now in the rest of the US for a while, and I would assume Hawaii is a lot higher.