You want to sell Republicans on hyperbole? Don’t you remember what happened after “Read my lips: no new taxes.”‽
These guys take hyperbolic promises and try to make them literally true. No, this is terrible.
I saw that appearance. I think half the audience was high.
The thing is, some of what he said was reasonable and well presented. But then I remember he throws temper tantrums.
It’s amusing to hear complaints about about bullying and temper tantrums (and sexism) coming from people who very likely support or supported the Clintons.
Read All Too Human by George Stephanopoulos sometime.
It all just depends on whose ox is getting gored. Bill and Hillary Clinton are both hot-headed, ill-tempered bullies and Bill Clinton’s attitudes and behavior toward women are worse than Trump’s by many orders of magnitude.
Yet according to the left, Trump - whose transgressions are truly minor-league compared with the Clintons - is ill-suited for the presidency because he throws temper tantrums, is a bully and is waging a ‘war on women’, while Bill’s a rock star and Hillary’s the Democratic front runner for president.
I would say “Go figure” but there’s no need, everyone knows why this is.
You could have easily read hundreds of posts by liberals, lefties, Dems generally, from people who don’t much like Hillary. Be that as it may, you remain quite certain that everybody to the left of Calvin Coolidge adores the Clintons. No evidence impacts your opinions, facts bounce off of you like a Nerf ball off a rhino.
Where’s your evidence? The polls don’t reflect that. The polls reflect a reluctant willingness to vote for Hillary rather than let one of the meth-addled baboons from the Insane Clown Caucus infect the Oval Office. So where do you look to find actual evidence of this worshipful reverence for the Clintons?
If you ask us what we think rather than tell us what we think, you would be better informed. Alas.
But not in public, which accounts for the lack of outrage. Unless you were a Clinton insider, you wouldn’t know it. And “many orders of magnitude” is rather hyperbolic.
Oh, please. The fact that Hillary’s finally starting to fizzle out doesn’t disprove anything I said. Bill is treated with the respect and adulation according celebrities and rock stars, and until Hillary began to fizzle in the wake of her arrogant mishandling of the email issue she was far and away the Democratic favorite to be the next president.
Those facts are where I look to find evidence of support for the Clintons. (Remember that word, support? It’s the word I used to describe Democratic attitudes toward the Clintons, not “worshipful reverence” :roll eyes:)
But let’s not let our attention be diverted from the real issue (nice try though). The real issue is that when certain behaviors you condemn in Republican candidates exist in spades in Democratic candidates, they’re largely if not completely ignored.
I’m not a Clinton insider and I’ve known it for around twenty years now. All you have to do is take note of the occasional clues that bubble up to the surface from time to time instead of ignoring them because the people involved are on your side.
Seems to be that kind of season. 
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No, I reported already and with evidence that he is an anti-vaxxer, a bigot, a climate change denier that does want to bankrupt the nation with all that and with harebrained ideas on how to deal with undocumented people.
That should be enough but now that Trump denies the need for the Iran nuclear treaty, after many experts point that not doing the treaty would had made more likely that Iran would get a nuclear weapon this old chestnut will have to be taken into account by all voters to realize that another reason to not vote for Trump is that he should not be left in any place near the nuclear button:
Famous "Daisy" Attack Ad from 1964 Presidential Election“These are the stakes. To make a world in which all of God’s children can live, or to go into the dark. We must either love each other, or we must die.” - Lyndon B. Johnson
Vote for the Democrat Candidate on November 2016. The stakes are too high for you to stay home.
If you’re trying to convince me that the Clintons are not wonderful, angelic people, then I’m convinced. They suck.
But you haven’t convinced me that Trump wouldn’t be much, much worse. Clinton’s presidency was pretty good – and the Clintons aren’t crazy people who believe things like birtherism. The Clintons don’t say insane things like it’s possible to deport 11 million people in 18 months to two years.
Sheesh! Talk about hyperbole. :roll eyes:
First of all he’s not a bigot in any real world sense and has said nothing whatever to support your contention.
And I’d like to see where he’s said he wants to bankrupt the nation with “all that”, or anything at all, really.
I can see how you, as someone probably not all that familiar with Trump, would think that. I have an advantage because I’ve followed him for years and am familiar with what might be called “Trumpspeak”. He says a lot of things for effect that are intended to accomplish things that aren’t obvious on the surface. I can assure you he has no intention of deporting 11 million “undocumented people”. I can also assure you that he’s done a masterful job of bringing the issue of illegal immigration to the forefront of American politics and focusing much needed attention on the need to do something about it.
No, actually what he’s said is that a contract is a contract and that he would honor it. He’s also said he would enforce the hell out of it, with the implication being that he’d hold Iran’s feet to the fire and penalize them to the max according to the terms of the treaty should they not keep their end of the bargain.
If Democrats truly wanted to make a world in which all of God’s children can live, they wouldn’t glamorize drug use and make it seem “cool”, they wouldn’t strive to get as many criminals booted from prison as possible and/or as early as possible, they wouldn’t defend and promote social values that result in single-parent families and high school graduates who can’t read or write. And they’d be in favor of kicking ISIS’ ass, rather than blithely stating that it’s the problem of the people being victimized over there to deal with it themselves. You do remember ISIS, don’t you? They saw the heads off children and babies.
I’m sure that to those of your ideological bent this is true. A huge portion of the population however seems to be fed up with what your ideology has wrought and is desperate for someone who appears capable to come in and fix it. They too should come out and vote in November 2016, as the stakes are indeed too high for them to stay home.
What it is clear is that when I posted the evidence of what he said or did regarding those issues in this or another very recent thread you did not touch the evidence, so, you are just appearing as a willful ignorant.
The rest of your tirade was just silly.
Cool. You acknowledge they suck. Now show me how many Democrats deem them unsuitable for office based on that suckage. I’d wager the total is close to zero.
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Trump’s birther efforts were simply for show.
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Even if he truly was a ‘birther’ it’s a total non-issue. It isn’t indicative of craziness or stupidity. Or at least it’s no more crazy and stupid than Democrat claims that opposition to taxpayer or employer funded birth control = REPUBLICAN WAR ON WOMEN!!
Just answered that. See my comments to GIGO above.
. . . How is that supposed to make us think any better of him?
Actually, it’s a lot more crazy/stupid.
And as pointed before you are only willfully ignoring the evidence so, your comments are just as useless here as the ones made to me.
The Birther issue showed more than your hand wave, it showed that Trump was willing to extremely pander the bigots and his latest kowtowing for Arpaio in Arizona only confirmed that Trump does not care about joining and supporting the efforts of people that waste people’s money and their political contributions on birtherism efforts and other bigoted efforts.
Because they have opponents. Their opponents (the Republicans, anyway), are uniformly less suitable for office. They’re all much, much worse.
I don’t believe you.
No, birtherism is much, much more crazy and stupid.
I don’t believe you on this one either. I don’t believe you have a special understanding of Trump’s brain but are partially motivated by wishful thinking and rationalization.
Oh, it’s remarkable. The adulation some of you demonstrate is like a real-life version of the “Obama-messiah” trope that existed only as a juvenile fantasy of the Right. Frankly, I’m amazed that geriatric knees can withstand so much punishment.
If you can pull off the goose-step, we’ll be really impressed.
Andrew O’Hehir writes: “Trump, Sanders and tribalism: Why the Donald’s dark allure goes deeper than racism and xenophobia”:
Well,** BG**, political comedian Jimmy Dore says Trump is a fascist. Here’s the podcast. He goes through a brief history of the deportation of Mexicans from the US starting at around 9:00 (2 million deported during the depression, 1.2 million of them citizens, and then “Operation Wetback” in 1964, deporting 1.3 million in 2 years) to make the point that a Trump administration really would move towards mass deportation, and as a lead-in to his comments about Trump being a fascist at around 15:30. He cites the “demonizing, the strong military, misogyny, nationalism, scapegoating people for economic problems” in Trump’s rhetoric as his cite.
He claims Trump is “spouting classic fascism”, and says of his own comments, “this isn’t hyperbole.”
Quite a claim. This is at least the second time I’ve heard it. Here is a list of the characteristics of fascism, followed by an exceprt from Milton Meyer about how people felt during the rise of German fascism. The bit that reflects your Nietzsche quote:
Is Jimmy Dore right?
Trump is a populist, more Huey Long than Adolph Hitler. While Trump appeals to racial resentment, his crackpot theorizing is limited to birtherism, anti-vaxxing and climate change not toxic appeals to racial superiority. The latter doesn’t fly now.
His shtick has apparently gone right to the center of the modern conservative brainstem. The fact that his policy proposals make no sense and can’t possibly work doesn’t seem to matter in his crowd. I’m not exactly wringing my hands though, as TPTB have yet to launch a Rovian attack.[sup]1[/sup] Trump is vulnerable to that.
[sup]1[/sup] “Identify the target’s greatest strength and attack that.” It doesn’t have to be a fair or even accurate attack. Just fling mud. 1. Trump sponsored a wealth seminar scam and called it Trump University. 2. Trump is a shitty businessman. Both cases can be made, though I’d argue the first is stronger than the second. Not that it matters for an attack ad.
One of the CNN reporters asked Trump whether a question asking about the differences between specific leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas would be a “gotcha” question, and he said it would. Then Trump said that, while he doesn’t know this stuff now, if he gets elected he would know “more about the matter than the reporter” by day 2.
Well, that’s somewhat true, given that he would have classified material condensed and presented to him, but at the same time it’s Trump once again aggrandizing himself and sounding like an ass.
And apparently he’s already lining up his post-debate twitter tirade.
I loved Stephen Colbert’s turn on Trump last night. He pointed out the comment about Trump claiming it was like he was in the military because he went to a military prep school, which gave him more military experience than some people in the military.
Then Colbert commented that maybe it seems unfair to look at how Trump was 40 years ago, except it’s Trump that’s making the comparison, and he cited Trump’s quote about looking at himself when he was a five year old and how he’s basically the same person with the same temperament.
That’s right, Trump admitted he’s a petulant child throwing temper tantrums. Let’s get the meme going.