So your claim is that innately smarter people are not more likely to continue to further education? I’m going to need a cite for that preposterous assertion.
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As I said, a counterexample does not disprove a correlation.
The thread title said “in your experience”, so I gave my experience. Do you have any complaints about that?
The title also asked about correlation. I’m not disputing your experience, I’m disputing the correlation that you inferred from your experience.
You should dispute that all you want.
If you can quote me saying that then do it.
Okay. I’m smart enough to do that, even though I’m handicapped by my education.
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Education correlates well with academic smarts and knowledge. It has some, but less, correlation with other forms of intelligence: creativity, people skills, practical street smarts, mechanical skills, political skills, athletic skills and so on. Education teaches you how to think… in certain ways. Experience teaches others, and there are many paths but few royal roads to intelligence.
I think maybe the thread title, connecting experience and correlation, set us up for this dispute.
I’m not even sure what ‘smart’ is, but part of it is being able to apply something you learned in one area to another completely unrelated area that no one ever thought of
That’s how I once heard it explained: really smart people can make connections between unrelated things no one else would make.
It has some, but less, correlation with other forms of intelligence: creativity, people skills, practical street smarts, mechanical skills, political skills, athletic skills and so on
I agree that the correlation between education and certain aspects of intelligence is far from 100%, but the correlation is still strong - assuming of course that we’re talking about a developed nation where everyone has the opportunity for education. Creativity and people skills are still strongly correlated with both general intelligence and having an education. The idea that people who lack general intelligence necessarily have superior skills in things like creativity because “we’re all good at something” is a feelgood fiction.
To the extent that “street smarts” are developed by living in the relevant environment, that may be an exception. But surely the word intelligence does not encompass mechanical and athletic skills. If it does, our dispute here is about semantics rather than correlation.
Wearing a monocle, bowtie, cane, and top hat.
Having Aspergers Syndrome.
Mr Peanut is a genius?
Mr Peanut is a genius?..
For a peanut, sure.
Mr Peanut is a genius?
Sounds nutty, but true.
Yeah, I’ve always hate that she would be pretty except for the glasses thing.
Heh, My wife doesn’t like to wear her glasses, but when she does, I’m all over her. ![]()
I agree with most of what you say. Knowledge is learning and applying things. By mechanical skills, I mean applying knowledge in a practical way, the sort of questions one might see on an intelligence test regarding patterns and geospatial reasoning, as well as applied physics and engineering.
Athletic intelligence may be a poor choice of words - if you are a professional quarterback who can keep track and predict the movements of many teammates you have a skill learned through experience which can be improved and not merely physical attributes or instinct. Humans used such skills for thousands of years to hunt and survive. But I’m not getting involved in semantics. If you prefer another name that is okay. Even intelligent people need to look after their physical health. This was not meant to be a feelgood “everybody is a shining star” generaluzatiin.
People mean different things by intelligence and many are correlated with education and some very highly so. Education is enormously important and those poorly educated are generally at a disadvantage. However, many people succeed without a university or postgraduate education. Many people earn more with practical training than certain interesting but esoteric university degrees.
People mean different things by intelligence and many are correlated with education and some very highly so. Education is enormously important and those poorly educated are generally at a disadvantage.
I should clarify that I though we were principally discussing innate intelligence. So the causal relationship would be whether people who are intelligent are more likely to be highly educated, not the other way around. Of course, there are many ways in which people with an education are likely to make more of their innate abilities, but that part seems fairly obvious.
I had in mind a general correlation. The folks fond of pointing out how Silicon Geniuses dropped out of university don’t tend to mention the fifteen years of formal education before that.
The folks fond of pointing out how Silicon Geniuses dropped out of university don’t tend to mention the fifteen years of formal education before that.
And these exceptional people dropped out of college not because college is something smart people don’t do, but because they were smart and focused on another urgent and immediate objective that they were highly motivated to pursue. They had high intelligence and precocious entrepreneurial motivation. The great majority of people who drop out of college (or who do not start college) do not fit this description.